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Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« on: Tuesday 11 November 14 13:24 GMT (UK) »
Please could someone help me with a conundrum.

My great grandfather born in (1882) in Goole, Yorkshire had a very reined signature on his marriage certificate, yet my earlier ancestors signed their marriage certificates with a 'X' (the mark of).

This begs the question; when did schooling begin for the poor of Yorkshire?
My ancestors all lived within close proximity of schools so I would have thought they would of at least been able to write their own names?

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Re: Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 14:20 GMT (UK) »
You could look at Education in England: a brief history  Chapter 2 : 1800-1860
http://www.educationengland.org.uk/history/chapter02.html

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Re: Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 11 November 14 17:55 GMT (UK) »
I knew an elderly - nearly 100 at the time - man many years ago, when I was only a child, who had been what they called a "Half timer" - half time at mill, half time in School, when he was young. He wrote a beautiful copperplate signature, and was justly proud of it, but really could hardly functionally write, and his far younger wife confided to my parents that he could scarcely read. But his signature on his first wedding certificate would have been impeccable!
We hard a lot about poor literacy levels today - and there are always wonderful copybooks in museums.
But bearing that old gentleman in mind, I wonder how many others there were of similar attainment. Sunday Schools did marvellous things, before board schools were established, and were the first line of learning for many, but you had to go there in order to learn, and many honestly felt they did not need to. Most schools cost pennies each week - but pennies were not easily come by, for many.
Many more were probably functionally illiterate than we assume. I know that in the 1950s it was not that every child left school able to read and write, it was often that some did not ever attend school, because of assorted handicaps, whereas today, each child is accommodated somehow, to some level, in the system.
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Re: Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 11:00 GMT (UK) »
My paternal gt-gt-gt-grandfather, baptised 1776 and an Ag Lab all his life, made a very clear and well-formed signature on his marriage certificate.  I've always wondered how he became literate, but maybe the only thing he could actually write was his signature.

My maternal gt-grandfather, born 1834, was a millworker, however in his twenties he became a self-taught "Professor of Music" and ran a music business.  He wrote in a beautifully formed Copperplate hand and was also a Sunday School teacher.
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Re: Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 11:19 GMT (UK) »
There is a essay on Literacy and the signing of marriage registers at  http://www.rootschat.com/links/03ix/

In an 1834 Report on the figures in returns made by factories to the Factory Commission, concerning the education of the employees, it was found that in England 85% could read and 43% could write, in Scotland the figures were 95% could read and 53% could write.
However the report concluded:
"It will be gratifying to the friends of education to find from authentic documents that so large a proportion of the working classes in the towns and populous districts is able to read, although we are unable to venture to hope for so favourable an account from the small villages and rural districts of England."


The figures from the 1851 Education Census show that the total for England & Wales was 44,836 Day Schools with 2,180,592 Scholars (31/03/1851), and 2,837 Sunday Schools with 2,369,089 Scholars (30/03/1851).
There were also 1,545 Evening Schools for Adults with 39,783 Scholars (29/03/1851).

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Re: Illiteracy in the 19th century?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 12 November 14 13:22 GMT (UK) »
My great grandfather born in 1849 and my great grandmother born 1850 were married in 1868 he marked the marriage certificate with an x she with a signature. She was born into a traveling gypsy family who became settled sometime between her third and eleventh birthdays he was a hawker. I would imagine that as they were settled she attended school but he didn't as he was traveling from place to place throughout his childhood.