Mountain Ash mystery street on birth certificate...?

[Cas (stallc)]

Tracing the couple who are present at 32 Gwern Ifor Street in 1911, in 1901 they are in Wiltshire England.  There a quite a few boarders with them in both census so possible Mary Ann Jones was just a boarder in the household when Edward was born. Cannot find any relation to connect them as family.

Looking for Mary Ann Jones with no DOB or POB in Wales is needle in haystack.

Have you considered the records from the Workhouse that may give you more info on Edward, possibly Mary Ann?

Cas

[zygalski]

Hi again.
I did check for many, many hours for various combinations of
Mary Ann Jones
David Jones (son)
Thomas Jones (son)
& Edward being the youngest son by about 10 years. 
There is also a daughter who I'm told was known as Mags, so presumably Margaret or Maggie.
I would assume Mary Ann Jones was born around 1875.
I couldn't find anything conclusive.  I did find a Mary Ann Jones aged 40 registered as an inmate in Llantrisant boarding house in the 1911 census, but again, not particularly conclusive & I have no proof that she boarded her older children.
The family seem to have always lived in Mountain Ash and Penrhiwceiber.  I would have expected to find them there on the 1901/11 census.

[[Ray]]

Hi

Have you considered a situation where (something like)

Mary Ann Jones, perhaps single, perhaps widowed with a "family"
marries (1897/8/9 ish )
David Jones, widowed ( 1893 - 1898 ish ) with a family

David       maybe needing someone to help look after family
Mary Ann maybe needing a breadwinner

David then dies (1901-1905 ish )
Mary Ann left widowed again

Mary Ann enters into a subsequent relationship
whereby your grandfather is the  result . . . . .



There is this family . . . . .
1901 RG13 5014 47 page33
Ystradyfodwg District 18
41 Treharne Street

David Jones 45 Maesteg

Mary Ann Jones 28 (2nd Wife) Pentre

Margaret Jones 21 Pentre
Elizabeth Jones 17 Pentre
William Jones Jones 17 Resia
David Eldest Jones 14 Mountain Ash
Thomas James Jones 8 Pentre

May Jones 1 Pentre

William Jones 55 (Father-in-Law) Pontrhydyfen



Ray

[zygalski]

Hi Ray.
Thanks for that explanation & research.
My understanding is that Mary Ann's first husband died in a mining accident which I suppose would have been in the very early 1900's & then Edward was born as an illegitimate child in 1908 as a result of a relationship that did not last.

Edward, the youngest child by about 7 or 8 years as I say was born 1908. 
David, Thomas & Mags would have all been born between about 1890-1900 so the ones found above are too old, unfortunately.

I suspect that Mary Ann Jones was living in several houses around Mountain Ash as a boarder with some of her children, minus Edward who seems to have been sent to Llantrisant House by 1911.  Other addresses I know she lived at were 23 Tyrfelin St & also a house in King St, as well as Gwernifor? St as discussed, all between about 1910 & 1940.  I would imagine she would appear in the 1901/1911 census in Mountain Ash or Penwricheiber.  I don't think she would have moved far.

I can upload a scan of the full birth certificate if anyone thinks that may help?

[zygalski]

Sorry for image compression!

[Cas (stallc)]

Ty Pontypridd was the old workhouse on the graig in Pontypridd. This later became a hospital, later still the old buildings were demolished and Dewi Sant Hospital was built on the site.

It was the old Poor Law Union Workhouse/ Hospital. It had many departments such as Orphanage,Maternity, Asylum along with the gravely ill and dying. The address if born/died there would be on birth and death certificates.

So Edward was born in the workhouse.  The Gwernifor Street is possibly her last address previous.

I think workhouse records are way to go forward and possibly back?

Just my thoughts

Cas

[zygalski]

Thank you.  That's very useful info & I would never have have thought to check Ty Pontypridd.

[Cas (stallc)]

Some history/info
http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Pontypridd/

http://www.archiveswales.org.uk/anw/get_collection.php?inst_id=33&coll_id=1866&expand

Records are kept at http://www.glamarchives.gov.uk/

Ty'r Felin Street/Tyrfelin & King Street is also on old map posted previous.

[hugheszee]

Hi There
I had similar problems while researching a street name in Mountain Ash
I called at the local library where a chap informed Me that a few of the older street names no longer exist most of the houses are still there they (the council) renamed a few streets back some years ago so your street may be renamed
Hugheszee