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Offline Pamela Cooper

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MANNIN family
« on: Saturday 02 July 05 02:52 BST (UK) »
Does anyone have information on Amelia Mannin b 1849 parents Frederick Harold Mannin and Elizabeth Lowther Goldsmith.  Amelia m James Simpson my great great grandfather in 1868.  James Simpson then married her sister Elizabeth Mannin (my great great grandmother) in 1868 but I can find no record of Amelia's death.
Many thanks
Pamela
Perth Western Australia
Bedfordshire - Cooper - Clifton, Henlow.  Albone - Arlesey.  Odell, Rook, Devereaux, Mabbott, King
London - Simpson, Mannin, Brooker, Pearce

Offline Valda

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Re: Mannin family
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 02 July 05 07:32 BST (UK) »
Since you can't find an Amelia Simpson death registration between the December quarter of her marriage in 1867 and the December quarter of her sister's marriage in 1868, both in Westminster, I would first search on the premise that in the grief of her early death, her registration was incorrectly registered. With a more common surname like Simpson and in an area with an extremely large population this is obviously a risky hypothesis to try and prove. There is only one Simpson death registration in Westminster for that period
Ellen Simpson aged 21 in the December quarter of 1867. Not a great match because I believe your Amelia was born in 1849. However if she married under age she would have been likely to have given the more convenient age of 21 - saves on the paperwork.
Amelia's death of course could just have been left out of the central index. There was no system for checking that clerks were indexing everything correctly, as the returns came in from the local registration offices.
I'm surprised the second marriage took place in the same area, as the marriage was within the prohibited degrees. Not until the Deceased Wife's sister's Act of 1907 was such a marriage allowed (Deceased Brother's Widow marriage act was not until 1921). The Church of England did not come in line with these two marriage acts until the 1940s, so if the church had known it would not have allowed the marriage in church. Usually when such marriages took place the couple concerned married out of area by licence, so their relationship was not known and there was no chance of a local parishioner intervening if banns were called.

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Valda
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Offline Pamela Cooper

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Re: Mannin family
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday 19 July 05 09:01 BST (UK) »
Hi Valda
Sorry for the tardy reply but I have had relatives staying.

It had not occurred to me that this marriage might be within the prohibited degrees.  I will request a birth and marriage certificate for Amelia Simpson to confirm that it is the same James Simpson.  Unlikely two sisters married two people by the name of James Simpson but not imposible.

Many thanks for your help.
Regards
Pamela
Bedfordshire - Cooper - Clifton, Henlow.  Albone - Arlesey.  Odell, Rook, Devereaux, Mabbott, King
London - Simpson, Mannin, Brooker, Pearce

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Re: Mannin family
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 September 05 09:48 BST (UK) »
Birth and marriage certificates confirmed that James Simpson Snr married Elizabeth Mannin and his son James Simpson married Amelia Mannin.  Thanks for all the help.

Regards
Pamela
Bedfordshire - Cooper - Clifton, Henlow.  Albone - Arlesey.  Odell, Rook, Devereaux, Mabbott, King
London - Simpson, Mannin, Brooker, Pearce