Marriage 1816 Thomas Ralph and Catherine ? Wolverhampton

[Mary Jane Tape]

Hi, please can anyone find details of the marriage of Thomas Ralph to Catherine in 1816.  Married at St Peters, Wolverhampton?

[keyboard86]

  Odd must be 2 Thomas Ralph's as their is one 5th February 1816 St Peter, Wolverhampton to a Sarah Laurence?

Keyboard86

[Mary Jane Tape]

   That is quite likely.  My ancestors have a habit of bearing the same name as another branch member.  Just when I thought I'd collared this one it turns out to be someone else!  Unless.... he could have married for a second time!!! 

Thomas was 10 years older than Catherine.  If he was born in 1781 (which the census of 1861 tells us) he would have been 25 in 1816, but could have married sooner, say aged 21 and lost his first wife.

Could I be a real pain and ask if there is a death record for Sarah Ralph prior to 1816?
Still doesn't find his marriage to Catherine though.
Much obliged
Mary Jane

[Stainforth]

Thomas and Sarah are listed as bachelor and spinster on marriage record. There is a death in Bilston 13 Jan 1817 for Sarah Ralph aged 25. How do you know your Thomas married Catherine in 1816?

[keyboard86]

Hi again is this the 1861 you have:-

Thomas Ralph 1781 b Low Heyford, Oxfordshire
Catherine 1791 b Tipton
Emma 1836 Granddaughter b Tipton
Ann Wright 1860 b Tipton
Elizabeth Ralph 1846 Granddaughter b Tipton
Thomas Wright 1836 Married/Grandson?
Census ref RG09/2044/47/39
Keyboard86

PS Thomas Wright 36 looks to be married to Emma aged 34 with the Ann 11 plus other siblings in 1871 In Boats, Gainsborough, Birmingham RG10/3089/27/47

So obvious question, which son/daughter of Thomas Ralph b c 1781 are your ancestors?

[Mary Jane Tape]

Morning Keyboard
My relative is Emma, described as 'Ralph' despite being married to Thomas Wright!  Elizabeth is her sister. 
Trying to find the father of these girls is a real headache.  He was John Ralph but there appears to be two men of the same name born around the same time.
I thought by going back to Thomas I might be able to go back further - hoping Parish Records might show his parents or at least his father.

There is a marriage in Wolverhampton in 1816 between a Thomas Ralph and Sarah somebody, she could have been his first wife then he married Catherine who he obviously met having left his native Oxfordshire.

Mary Jane

[Mary Jane Tape]

Hello Stainforth
As you will see from Keyboard's message, Thomas and Catherine appear on the 1861 census with granddaughters and grandson (in-law).

Catherine is shown as being 70 to his 80.  The 1851 census shows Thomas to be an Excavator which suggests he was digging canals, although a 70 year old would have some difficulties I should think!

Thomas had a son called John born around 1816-1820 I would guess but untangling him from another John is a nightmare.  John was a bargee,
Mary Jane

[keyboard86]

Hello Stainforth
As you will see from Keyboard's message, Thomas and Catherine appear on the 1861 census with granddaughters and grandson (in-law).

Catherine is shown as being 70 to his 80.  The 1851 census shows Thomas to be an Excavator which suggests he was digging canals, although a 70 year old would have some difficulties I should think!

Thomas had a son called John born around 1816-1820 I would guess but untangling him from another John is a nightmare.  John was a bargee,
Mary Jane

Hi again, can you give us the household or census ref for Thomas in 1851 as the only Thomas Ralph aged 70 occ Excavator was born Berkshire with wife Sophia and children in London
Census ref HO107/1497/494/42

Keyboard86

[Mary Jane Tape]

Hi
I don't think this Thomas Ralph can be the one I'm looking for.

In 1861 the census showed him aged 80 married to 70 year old Catharine/Catherine Ralph.

I can't seem to trace them in any other census but I'm still looking.
Mary Jane