Gill Family

[Neil Todd]

There are a couple of deaths of a Susannah CHAPMAN one even in West Maitland none with parents William and Susannah. Two marriages of a Susannah CHAPMAN on in 1882 at Kempsey to a Mr Everson and one in Tamworth 1865 to a Mr WELLBY. No corresponding deaths in NSW for either of these ladies, they could have remarried out of state but none seem to be in NSW.

So I am still betting on a possible link between the two births.

Neil

[kmw]

I think I will have to get Susannah marriage certificate and maybe her death certificate. Unable to find her birth anywhere. It would be great to get a copy of that book about the Gill family. Thanks everyone for all your effort to try and solve this. KMW

[~MERLIN~]

I think I will have to get Susannah marriage certificate and maybe her death certificate.

In your original post you say you have her death certificate 

We have her death certificate but wanting to try and get her birth certificate.

[Neil Todd]

Hi

 May be of help http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/Record/528371

Muss

Thanks to Muss finding the above.

The Book is called "A Cow and a Haypress" (The story of William and Susannah GILL) by Daryl Lightfoot 331 Coal Point Rd., Coal Point, N.S.W. 2283.
He is in the NSW white pages
He has not returned my call as yet.

Neil

Modified to include

[thetowers]

Protestant
 
 Wesleyan

 Protestant

 Methodist Protestant"

They have classified and counted people there into 4 groups,   two of which are the same,   and the other two of which are also the same.   That's actually two groups.

 

[Neil Todd]

Not so strange when you know that it stems from the answer that people gave when asked the question. "What religion are you"

The main premise for their passage out with funding was that they be Protestant at the least. (Not believing in the power of the Church of Rome) Preference was given to people of Wesleyan and Methodism as the proponents were looking for people of same religious belief and ideals so that they could fit in with what what was expected of them in the new colony. More specifically under the ideals that Mr Lang of Dunmore along with others expected.

I think some may have come with very little religious zeal and actually knew little about what was being asked. They just wanted the passage out. 

Neil

[majm]

Yes, Neil is spot on, many just wanted the passage out. 

May I add

In the 21st century we do tend to lump Wesleyan and Methodist into the one denomination, and of course Protestant is not just one denomination at all.    Wesleyan and Methodist Protestant in the 1830s were two similar groups but not necessarily the same ‘group’.   

The use of the label “Protestant” in the 1830s can cover a broad spectrum of denominations, but not ever Church of Rome (Roman Catholics).  And depending on the circumstances “Protestant” in 1830s often did not include Church of England either.   

 So rather than just looking at just one part of one page of that passenger list,  and just reading down the list from the beginning of the four pages the list includes families who were recorded as :

Protestant, Methodist, Episcopalian, Baptist, Protestant, Independent, Protestant, Wesleyan, Protestant, Methodist, Protestant, Baptist, Protestant, Protestant, Methodist, Protestant, Independent, Protestant.     

Just because many were recorded as Protestant, does not mean those families were all following the same forms and practises as each other under the direction of a specific Church .  “Protestant” had, and continues to have, a far broader meaning than wholly following a specific denomination.   So in the 1830s “Protestants” were not lumped into one group in the sense that they were all of the one denomination, for they were not all of the one denomination.     

Cheers,  JM   

[thetowers]

Many types of Protestants, yes.

And if you are counting them and putting them into groups,   then you would label the groups with distinguishing labels.

[majm]

Without straying too far off topic, I am not sure that there's any indication, even at the summary page of the NSW SRO's free to search passenger list, that there were formal requirements for the religions to be counted up and summarised.  It was more likely they're to allow the captain and crew to make arrangements for onboard Church services, including any possible burials at sea. 

Getting back onto topic, I note that the Gill family were listed on the passenger list as Wesleyan and as mentioned in an earlier post, when Miss Susannah GILL married on 21st January, 1859, it was at the Wesleyan Chapel, High St, West Maitland.

Cheers,  JM