Gill Family

[Neil Todd]

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[majm]

SUSANNAH CHAPMAN   FATHER WILLIAM MOTHER SUSANNAH   REF # 1222/1842 V18421222 26A

Could well be, Neil, and on the other hand, could well be for a different family. The NSW Early Church Records, often seem to show the clergyman recording the name of the father regardless of if the parents were formally married when adding baptisms to the parish registers.  (26A is C of E)

 

Susannah Gill from family talks was born 17th March 1842 in Woodville, NSW. We cannot find a record of her birth. We have her death certificate but wanting to try and get her birth certificate

   I gather you want the birth (baptism) certificate to confirm her parentage, date and place of birth etc.   When Susannah was being interviewed prior to her marriage, the clergy would have asked many questions and recorded the answers in their local register, but may have sent only a summary of part of those details to the NSW BDM Registrar General. 

21st January, 1859, Wesleyan Chapel, High St, West Maitland.  Marriage of William Randel FOSTER, son of Mr Robert Foster of Woodville, and Miss Susannah GILL, daughter of Mr William GILL, of   Dunmore.   Rev W T Mayne performed the ceremony. 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18654390 Maitland Mercury 22 Jan 1859

Do you have a copy or official transcript of the NSW BDM registration for that marriage ?   It should give you the then ages, places of birth, occupations of the bride and the groom, and names of the parents of both, the maiden names of the mums, the occupations of the dads.   And as you have Susannah as born 1842, you should also expect to find the name of the person giving consent to the marriage (until 1970s in NSW you needed to be at least 21 years to give your own consent to your marriage).     NSW BDM #2196.     

If the document does not give the info (particularly the then age and place of birth for Susannah as this is the theme of this thread) do not panic,  as there’s many a NSW BDM civil registration that was not reconciled to the parish registers, and NSW BDM suggests contacting the relevant church to find details missing from a marriage certificate.   http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh/bdm_rec.html

Here’s a thread that may help overcome any hurdles on the NSW BDM record of that 1859 marriage, and possibly lead to the details your are seeking about your Susannah GILL's origins.. 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,546609.0.html     

Cheers,  JM

[Dundee]

BUT according to my source only one child was born to them after arrival in Nov 6th 1838 on Board the ship Maitland and this was son Albert James July 13th 1844.

Neil

He was baptised, married, had children and died as just 'James', and yet someone put 'Albert J.' on his headstone.  Bizarre.

Debra 

[majm]

Debra

Have the shipping records of William and Suannah Gill(nee Creed) and their children who came out to Australia 6th November 1838 on the ship Maitland. Peter died in England before they came out. The children that came to Australia with William and Susannah are Jane 17, William 16, Mary Ann 14, Andrew 13, Louisa 9, Naomi 8, Miriam 5. Margaret isn't on the arrival list as she died on the voyage to Australia. Harriet married Edward King and came to Australia on 27th November 1838 on the ship Lady Nugent. Harriet and Edward King children, Harriet died on the voyage to Australia, Jane also died on the voyage to Australia. First child born to Harriet and Edward in Australia was Ellen King born 3 February 1840.
My problem is finding a birth or baptismal record of Susannah Gill born 1842. Susannah married my husband great great grandfather William Randell Foster. Thanks for your time and effort KMW

Something is not making good sense to me. 


James GILL, born 13 July 1844, baptised 27 Oct 1844, son of William and Susan
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTCJ-T3X
NSW BDM 1844 Volume 28 line 2503

Jane GILL, born 15 December 1835, baptised  3 January 1836 1836, NSW BDM Vol 30, line 6, daughter of William and Susan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC8-PXH

So supporting Dundee’s earlier post, I am sure, if the family arrived on 6th November 1838, (on the Maitland), that there’s at least two different families in NSW, with William and Susan as the GILL parents.

On the Maitland, arriving 5 Nov 1838
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/ebook/list.asp?series=NRS5313&item=4_4780&ship=Maitland
William GILL, of Beckley, a Farm Labourer, aged 41, a Wesleyan, for Mr Lord, of Patersons River, 
WIFE not shown as being on board
1 boy aged more than 14 years
0 girl aged more than 14 years
2 boys aged 7 to 14
2 girls aged 7 to 14
0 boy aged under 7
1 girl aged under 7
So SIX children came with William GILL on the Maitland in 1838, and there was no mention of his wife/ their mother, on that passenger list (linked above).   Jane GILL aged 17 is listed in the unmarried females section, the passenger list does not give her relationship to others on that voyage.

ADD
Interestedingly,

From the index of the 1841 NSW census there’s TWO William GILL chaps, one at Patrick’s Plains and one at Raymond Terrace.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=18

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Susannah is shown on the other passenger list:

Arr NSW, November 1838, per Maitland, all with surname GILL, all from Beckley (is this Beckley in Sussex, or Beckley in Oxfordshire?)
William, 41
Susannah, 38
Jane, 17
William, 16
Mary Ann, 14
Andrew, 12
Louisa, 9
Naomi, 8
Miriam, 5

I know this list corresponds with kmw's list in a previous posting, but thought it might be helpful further down the posts.

Judith

[majm]

Agh, thanks Judith.   It was confusing me. 

Still leaves two William GILL  chaps in NSW with likely their respective wives as Susan ..... one at Patricks Plains and the other at Raymond Terrace.

Cheers,  JM

[thetowers]

Jane GILL, born 15 December 1835, baptised  3 January 1836 1836, NSW BDM Vol 30, line 6, daughter of William and Susan.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTC8-PXH

So supporting Dundee’s earlier post, I am sure, if the family arrived on 6th November 1838, (on the Maitland), that there’s at least two different families in NSW, with William and Susan as the GILL parents.

Go and check the film carefully, yourself.

I have a person born and baptised in 1849  that the NSW registrar claims was baptised in 1839.  The people who read those old registers and originally compiled the computer index were not infallible, either with their readring or their data entry.

[~MERLIN~]

There were two different couples - William & Susannah GILL.

We have previously researched the other couple:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=553136.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=564259.0

[majm]

Go and check the film carefully, yourself.

I have a person born and baptised in 1849  that the NSW registrar claims was baptised in 1839.  The people who read those old registers and originally compiled the computer index were not infallible, either with their readring or their data entry.

Yes, NSW BDM is not infallible, and nor is familysearch.org,  but the two are very different organisations, and the NSW BDM indexes were compiled in the 1930s while the familysearch.org's transcription is very much a recent transcription, again based on volunteers.     

I too have seen mistranscribed errors like the 1839 v 1849 one that towers write about.  It happens in many indexes, not just in NSW, and not just in family history indexes.    Perhaps if towers were to inform the NSW BDM of the error, and cite the relevant volume and line no. for NSW BDM to check, then perhaps NSW BDM will change their online index to reflect the apparent error.   Mind you, it can sometimes take months for these suggested changes to the online index to happen, BUT they do happen.     But simply put, if you don't ask, ......

Cheers,  JM