Problem With 3 Dates of Births

[pompeyboy]

Carol,LizzieL,Lostris...many thanks all of you for your help with this..some good points been made which i shall endeavour to have a look at.

Thank you

Steve

[Colin Cruddace]

Its the actual Cert you need to see for Margin numbered comments.

Wouldnt surprise me if the first said 'See x73' and that one in turn said 'See x89'

(Where x = M, J, S or D for the Quarter in question)

I believe it was about 1964 that birth certs had a column for surname of the child, so perhaps he/she was originally registered under the mothers surname, but changed to the father's surname when she married. In later years he/she might have decided to revert to the original surname.

Lostris has it almost right but the original index entry is the master, and subsequent entries should refer back to that one.

Colin

PS. I should have said that the birth should only be recorded once, with only one birth certificate issued, and subsequent entries are for changes to the original.

[ReadyDale]

Lizzie as Steve has gone offline,I'll answer that if I may.

The child has the same full name and the same mothers maiden name ( which is the same as his surname) in each of the 3 GRO indexes.

So that is one less coincidence - three unmarried women with the same surname have babies over the period of 21 years and give them the same forename(s) in the same area of a highly populated city.

[Lostris]

Its the actual Cert you need to see for Margin numbered comments.

Wouldnt surprise me if the first said 'See x73' and that one in turn said 'See x89'

(Where x = M, J, S or D for the Quarter in question)

I believe it was about 1964 that birth certs had a column for surname of the child, so perhaps he/she was originally registered under the mothers surname, but changed to the father's surname when she married. In later years he/she might have decided to revert to the original surname.

Lostris has it almost right but the original index entry is the master, and subsequent entries should refer back to that one.

Colin

PS. I should have said that the birth should only be recorded once, with only one birth certificate issued, and subsequent entries are for changes to the original.

Yes, I merged two things into my answer.

The 'original Cert for (any) Margin comments' should be read as a stand-alone statement.

It is indeed the Index which will have hand-written comments directing the browser to another linked Quarter & year Index entry ...

[carol8353]

So if Steve is to order any of them ,should it be the original 1968,which should say in the margin see 1973 ,and 1989 as such and such has been altered?

Or have I misunderstood.?

They could all be different people of course,with the same name/surname and mothers maiden name!

Carol

[pompeyboy]

The person i am looking into is around 24 years old.Which is why all the 3 names is throwing me and wondered if there was a link.eg parentage to one of the older ones

[Lostris]

So, are there any handwritten notes in the GRO Index entries?

[pompeyboy]

From what i can see Lostris nothing


Regards

Steve

[andrewalston]

It might be fruitful to search either by index reference, or by first names and district only, to find any other surnames mentioned.

This could throw up possible marriages, or at least give a clue to what was happening at the time.

In my ONS, I have found children initially registered with the same surname as the mother, then re-referenced later, with a different surname, as well as the original, in the later index. One child had two such father figures in their life, and a third re-registration following the mother's marriage.

In earlier indexes, there are often cross-references inserted. One of my relatives was born in 1914 before her parents married. There is another entry around the time she would be starting work, this time with her father's surname. This index refers back to the original one, where there is a handwritten comment.

Nobody said this was going to be easy!