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England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« on: Saturday 01 November 14 17:32 GMT (UK) »
I'm looking for traces of a family called England, who lived in Palmerston Road in Rathmines in the 1900s. Here they are in the 1911 census:

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Palmerston_Road/39953/

I'm curious to know what became of them all, and whether they have descendants. I think I may have a photo of one of the family.

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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 01 November 14 19:56 GMT (UK) »
Richard James
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a2324f0025649

 
on 1939 register of Electors he's at 3 Ashdale Avenue,Terenure with other occupant Annie Eileen Evans
There is no way of telling relationships from reg of electors.

http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/search.php

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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 01 November 14 20:06 GMT (UK) »
Glasnevin Trust Genealogy shows
Sophia died 1924 age 68
Frederick died 1930 age 74

http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/

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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 01 November 14 20:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks! Any way of knowing if any were married or had children?


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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 01 November 14 20:52 GMT (UK) »
Fredericks will mentions Richard J England and Ita Cooper married woman
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYF2-FJ8
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYF2-F3B

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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 01 November 14 21:05 GMT (UK) »
Hm, interesting. The Englands were well-off Catholics, but their next-door neighbours, the boys that is, went to Wesley for a bit, I think; or if they didn't, they had friends who did.
So Frederick (Jr) didn't marry, or didn't have a surving wife or children, or maybe was furiously estranged from them. Hmm. I hope not so.
From the people he was associating with in the early 20th century, he is likely to have been a member of the Irish Volunteers, or to have emigrated into arty circles, or to have joined the British Army, or to have worked on as an engineer or in the bank or some other middle-class place - unless he was destroyed by the slaughter of any of the wars that crossed Europe at the time.

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Re: England family, Rathmines, Dublin, 1900s
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 01 November 14 21:10 GMT (UK) »
Heavens, wonder how the Coopers went so Anglo! Here they are in 1901, perfectly normal Dubs!

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Pembroke_West/Haddington_Road__Baggotrath_East_/1287851/

And they seem to have had no issue after the first couple of generations, unless Richard and Annie Eileen Evans were an item, or of course unless any of the many sad underground adoptions of the time were related to them.