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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #117 on: Wednesday 17 August 16 19:38 BST (UK) »
Very odd for many reasons ! How is it known William was homeless and where was he at the time Adelaide and her mother were registered at Hanbury st workhouse in 1901  ? Adelaide could have been a servant at gun st but why give the name of your next of kin as your dead daughter but with a proper address ? Why go from a workhouse in Hanbury st just to a doss house at 31 Dorset st ? Given that Adelaide gave the Gun st address in 1915 when booking into the infirmary and in the 1911 census there were 3 large Jewish families living at that address and now someone else called Boyes as well. What was Adelaide doing there for 8 years plus ?

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #118 on: Wednesday 17 August 16 20:02 BST (UK) »
What are the pre-requisites for developing Erysipelas?  My Grandfather William John Springett, Adelaides brother, died an early death due to Anasarca.  My mother told me it was something he picked up in the Middle East during WW1.  Both diseases seem to be quite rare nowadays.

Since erysipelas is a bacterial infection, the only real prerequisite is to pick up the relevant bacterium. The bacterium that causes most cases of erysipelas is called  "Streptococcus pyogenes"; this is also responsible for cases of scarlet fever which can lead to rheumatic fever. Both types of infection still exist these days but are far less common than they used to be; it's not 100% certain why this should be the case, but better general hygiene standards are at least in part to thank for this. Antibiotics (which of course didn't exist in Adelaide's day) also help to cut strep infections, but it's thought as well that the bacterium may be mutating/evolving in a way that makes it less toxic to humans.

So lack of hygiene would play a part in the incidence of strep infections, but is not a pre-requisite -- erysipelas is still around today and you don't have to live in a filthy house to get it!


I had to look up "anasarca" too; it's not a term with which I was familiar. Having done so, it looks to me as though the term could be interchangeable with "dropsy" - an accumulation of oedema (fluid) throughout the body. This could manifest in various ways - the commonest (still around) is swollen ankles. Fluid can also collect around the lungs. In more severe cases it can collect in other areas eg inside the abdominal cavity. Oedema like this has a large number of possible causes. The only one that comes to mind as the consequence of an infection would be again caused by our new/old friend Streptococcus - scarlet fever, caused by strep, used to not-infrequently lead on either to rheumatic fever or to glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease). The latter can obviously cause accumulation of oedema/fluid in the body if the kidneys are damaged. Rheumatic fever can do so by causing damage to the heart valves so the heart can no longer pump efficiently. So it's possible that William picked up a strep infection in ww1 but the family may have assumed that to be the case as it was not uncommon; it might not have true. (Heavy alcohol intake can cause similar problems for example!)

As I mentioned, streptococcus may be changing in a way beneficial to humans as a host, and that probably accounts largely for the dramatic reduction in heart and kidney disease caused by strep.
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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #119 on: Wednesday 17 August 16 20:36 BST (UK) »
What are the pre-requisites for developing Erysipelas?  My Grandfather William John Springett, Adelaides brother, died an early death due to Anasarca.  My mother told me it was something he picked up in the Middle East during WW1.  Both diseases seem to be quite rare nowadays.

Since erysipelas is a bacterial infection, the only real prerequisite is to pick up the relevant bacterium. The bacterium that causes most cases of erysipelas is called  "Streptococcus pyogenes"; this is also responsible for cases of scarlet fever which can lead to rheumatic fever. Both types of infection still exist these days but are far less common than they used to be; it's not 100% certain why this should be the case, but better general hygiene standards are at least in part to thank for this. Antibiotics (which of course didn't exist in Adelaide's day) also help to cut strep infections, but it's thought as well that the bacterium may be mutating/evolving in a way that makes it less toxic to humans.

So lack of hygiene would play a part in the incidence of strep infections, but is not a pre-requisite -- erysipelas is still around today and you don't have to live in a filthy house to get it!


I had to look up "anasarca" too; it's not a term with which I was familiar. Having done so, it looks to me as though the term could be interchangeable with "dropsy" - an accumulation of oedema (fluid) throughout the body. This could manifest in various ways - the commonest (still around) is swollen ankles. Fluid can also collect around the lungs. In more severe cases it can collect in other areas eg inside the abdominal cavity. Oedema like this has a large number of possible causes. The only one that comes to mind as the consequence of an infection would be again caused by our new/old friend Streptococcus - scarlet fever, caused by strep, used to not-infrequently lead on either to rheumatic fever or to glomerulonephritis (a type of kidney disease). The latter can obviously cause accumulation of oedema/fluid in the body if the kidneys are damaged. Rheumatic fever can do so by causing damage to the heart valves so the heart can no longer pump efficiently. So it's possible that William picked up a strep infection in ww1 but the family may have assumed that to be the case as it was not uncommon; it might not have true. (Heavy alcohol intake can cause similar problems for example!)

As I mentioned, streptococcus may be changing in a way beneficial to humans as a host, and that probably accounts largely for the dramatic reduction in heart and kidney disease caused by strep.
Many thanks for your detailed reply.  I now have an understanding of those terms that I couldn't glean from Googling them.  I don't have any pictures of Adelaide but I do have a picture of my Mother aged 18, at her wedding in 1942.  Adelaide does not appear in any of her niece's pictures.  I think I can see a resemblance between my Mother and her Fathers Sister, Adelaide.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #120 on: Thursday 18 August 16 09:37 BST (UK) »


No, I said when she died intestate she was recorded under both names. That wouldn't be on the death certificate, it was from the bona vacantia list.

So your entire case rests on the name of Adelaide Ann Springett being quoted as a known alias.

I agree that alone as it stands is quite compelling. I wonder why though no proper marriage and no apparent kids from the couple either.

By the way you said as she was no ones relative on this site, no one would be prepared to pay for the death certificate. Well someone has claimed she was their aunt or great aunt. All seemed to fit !!!!
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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #121 on: Thursday 18 August 16 16:37 BST (UK) »
Little Adelaide seems to have had two DOB, depending where you look.  I hope this helps to clarify things a little.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #122 on: Thursday 18 August 16 16:59 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the BV list gets its information from the death cert - informant listed on BV site is London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham Social Services Department

Adelaide left a modest estate but rather more than one would expect, considering her early start in life and her line of work.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #123 on: Thursday 18 August 16 17:14 BST (UK) »
I suspect that the BV list gets its information from the death cert - informant listed on BV site is London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham Social Services Department


No mention of Springett as an alternative name on the Death Cert, so I wonder how the name got linked on the BV list.
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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #124 on: Thursday 18 August 16 19:49 BST (UK) »
Adelaide died in a care home in Hammersmith and I suspect the staff there would have known her history.  Perhaps her bank/savings book or other paperwork would have been in her Springett name.  Her 'husband', Frank Harling committed suicide some years earlier.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #125 on: Friday 19 August 16 13:55 BST (UK) »
Iconicus,what a life full of tragedy and mis-fortune, she must have been one tough girl !! Must have felt blessed though, that she survived into old age what with her mum drinking herself to death and her husband committing suicide ! Do you know what she did for work before she retired ?
I was going to say to add to her misery as a child ,her father seems absent but maybe he wasn't that absent and was there for her as financially as he could.
Love to know how a poor east end girl managed to end up living in West London. Frank must of had a decent enough job at one time to keep them ? But what did she do before Frank ?
And yes your mum does look like Adelaide, they are both photogenic in the same way I think I