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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #99 on: Saturday 06 August 16 16:58 BST (UK) »
She would not be listed under both names unless they were absolutely sure that she used both of them. For example she may have been known to the council as Harling as she and her partner presented as married. Her bank account might be more historic and in the name of Springett. My partner uses two different surnames birth certificate, passport and driving license are in one. Bank account, utilities bills and personal life he uses the other.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #100 on: Saturday 06 August 16 17:09 BST (UK) »


No, I said when she died intestate she was recorded under both names. That wouldn't be on the death certificate, it was from the bona vacantia list.
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So your entire case rests on the name of Adelaide Ann Springett being quoted as a known alias.

I agree that alone as it stands is quite compelling. I wonder why though no proper marriage and no apparent kids from the couple either.

By the way you said as she was no ones relative on this site, no one would be prepared to pay for the death certificate. Well someone has claimed she was their aunt or great aunt. All seemed to fit !!!!

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #101 on: Saturday 06 August 16 17:31 BST (UK) »
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So your entire case rests on the name of Adelaide Ann Springett being quoted as a known alias.

No, that plus the other evidence including that from 1939, 1940 registers, date on death registration and BV list.

Perhaps Frank Harling was already married so they couldn't legally marry. I hunted for ages for a marriage for my aunt but eventually found her "husband" was already married. She had just taken his name and they lived as husband and wife. We don't know when Adelaide and Frank Harling met, just that they are together from 1939. If it wasn't long before that, she would have been mid 40s, so perhaps that is why there are no children.
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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #102 on: Saturday 06 August 16 17:48 BST (UK) »


Perhaps Frank Harling was already married so they couldn't legally marry. I hunted for ages for a marriage for my aunt but eventually found her "husband" was already married. She had just taken his name and they lived as husband and wife. We don't know when Adelaide and Frank Harling met, just that they are together from 1939. If it wasn't long before that, she would have been mid 40s, so perhaps that is why there are no children.
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It's strange that this pretty girl was not snapped up when she was younger and of child bearing age !!
You would have thought given her circumstances with her mum dying ,her dad apparently absent or dead and her sisters all dead that she would have been desperate for marriage as quick as possible just to get some security.
One thing she did have going for her was her looks so as I say I'm astonished she wasn't snapped up !!
Still I suppose after WW1 there was a lack of young men in their 20's !!
Imagine how strong she would of had to have been with all that had happened to her, so maybe she felt she could only rely on herself and just stayed single. Also it was the time of the suffragetts, so maybe she was heavily involved in that and shunned men a bit !!


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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide?
« Reply #103 on: Saturday 06 August 16 19:14 BST (UK) »
If the Frank was the one who died in Chelsea in 1952, he would be about 10 years older than Adelaide. There is a Frank Harling birth reg Kensington district Q3 1882.
Marriage for a Frank Harling Q3 1904 Brentford district.
Frank can be found in 1911 and the entry is interesting...
and so can his missing wife

The 1939 census confirms a 10 yr age gap between Adelaide and Frank.

Check out the "missing wife".

My grandmother also "lost" a year. We didn't know her true year of birth until after she died, when we got the birth certificate. Everything else was correct - but she was born in 1905, not 1906 as she had always said.

My great-grandmother lived with a man most of her adult life and took his name. It's his name on her tombstone. However, she was actually initially married to someone else and it's her married name on her death certificate. She was refused a divorce by the court when she tried to divorce husband no.1. Divorce was difficult to get and expensive, therefore uncommon.

All or any of the above could apply to Adelaide and Frank's case. None of these scenarios was uncommon. They were repeated over and over across the country, with the sole exception that most people in this situation didn't even bother trying to get divorced! None of them seems odd enough to overwrite the coincidences that make me, and others here, feel that Adelaide Springett/Harland were the same person.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #104 on: Saturday 06 August 16 19:31 BST (UK) »
My mum's uncle had his death registered with the year of birth off by a year. Someone just subtracted his age from the current year - something we are all prone to do when looking at censuses!
The 1939 register is full of entries where people have done the exact same thing.
Looking at ALSTON in south Ribble area, ALSTEAD and DONBAVAND/DUNBABIN etc. everywhere, HOWCROFT and MARSH in Bolton and Westhoughton, PICKERING in the Whitehaven area.

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #105 on: Monday 08 August 16 22:08 BST (UK) »
Not part of the hunt, but I spotted another photo on't'web, about 1/3 way down this page, "Little Adelaide's best and only boots" - we can't tell if that is "our" Adelaide but thought the pic was worth showing

http://spitalfieldslife.com/2014/06/30/in-search-of-horace-warner/
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #106 on: Tuesday 09 August 16 08:51 BST (UK) »
https://goo.gl/images/VL82xA

In 1912 ,11 years later , no sign of tatty old boots on the corner of Dorset St!
And who 's that girl with the pushchair ? Could it be a grown up Adelaide ? Shame there's a shadow on the right side of her face making it impossible to see if she has Adelaides pear shape birthmark on her cheek !
Still it's exactly how I would expect her to look at 20 .

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Re: Can anyone trace Adelaide Springett?
« Reply #107 on: Tuesday 09 August 16 09:11 BST (UK) »
Anyone notice Frank and estranged wife were living next door to each other in 1911?
Cross Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Jennings Steeple Claydon Bucks,  Steel Byfield Northants,  Rogers Northants,  Wheeler Oxon,  Roberts Oxon,  Bonham Oxon/ Middleton Cheney Northants,  Maycock Northants,  Abbott Northants , Newman Northants, Buckingham Bucks, Hart Warks, Newth Gloucs.

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