John McCormick/ McCormack

[heywood]

Here is that family in 1911 - mother of Annie is Madge.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Donegal/Annagary/Annagary/488377/

[brigcs]

Wow. Thank you. That could well be who I am looking for. I am not sure how a Susan becomes a Madge but then we have a family member that we call something different.

John had a brother Peter, I wonder...

There has always a mystery involved with John McCormick. It’s not known why he left Ireland. A daughter from his 2nd marriage went there and had a door slammed in her face. The children of the 2nd marriage knew they had to say they were McCormack and not mick.

Thank you, I am so grateful for any information I can find. I can see what I am going to be doing all day today. Brigcs

[heywood]

The birth of Magey Harley - 1876 - parents James and Ann
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03069/2125059.pdf

Susan states 24 yrs on marriage - born about 1867. Her father is James and her place of residence, Dromore. She could have been working there perhaps.

1901 census, Scotland gives birth year abt 1869.

[brigcs]

Hi,

I reckon that’s my girl. Maybe she just preferred the name Susan.

The marriage of John McCormack and Susan Harley took place on 10th May 1891 at the Crossroads Chapel, Killygordon. She was 24, John was 27. Her father was James Harley and address is given as Dromore.

I have never been sure of that 1901 Scottish census.

I have been hunting for the Harley’s in the 1901 census but can’t see them. Time to put down the iPad!

[heywood]

I would take all this slowly. There is nothing proven yet. Why would she go back home and use a different name?

What information do you have about John after his marriage to Susan, if he is your ancestor?
Where is he in 1901 and 1911?

[brigcs]

John is my Mother-in-law’s father. Denis is given as the name of his father on both of his wedding certificates. What started me off on this last night was noting that a DNA match to my Mum in law of 341cM has an unattached tree. His Grandmother was an Annie McCormick. I have messaged the match but previously I haven’t received replies.

I have never traced what happened to Susan Harley, wife no. 1. Maybe she did a runner, taking the kids. My Father-in-law’s parents certainly did, they didn’t bother to take the kid. One trotted to Australia, remarried and had more children. The mother took me 15 years to grace to South Africa where she remarried and had more children. For 15 years my Father-in-law and I discussed how his Gran could’ve “dumped” his Father. Sadly my Father-in-law had severe dementia before I found the answers. I really want to clarify the Harley / McCormick relationship before it’s too late to tell my Mum-in-law. Don’t worry I am not rushing, I have all the time in the World.

[brigcs]

Sorry Heywood I didn’t answer your questions. We don’t know where John was in 1901 or 1911. In 1901 they could be the John and Susan in Ayr. In 1911 I have no idea. In 1916 he’s working at Rosyth Dockyard and 1917 he got married in Edinburgh. Mum-in-law is a child of the 2nd marriage. He died in Rosyth in 1937. Brigcs
 

[Rosinish]

That Breen/McCormick family remain in the Liverpool area.

1939 register shows the family brigcs refers to and there are birth/marriage and death records for Marjorie Harley Breen.

Thanks Heywood,

The difference in places i.e. Kettering (birth) / Liverpool (marriage) & Mary rather than Annie as mother (hence maybe Mary Ann) were a wonder being so far apart although I didn't check any further at that point.

brigcs, what info. is on the 1901 census in Ayr re John & Susan?

Annie

[heywood]

If I recall, the couple  in Ayr has no children with them - unusual after 9 yrs of marriage and they are both farm servants.

Looking at the Harley family in Annagary, they seem to be James Harley and Ann/Nancy Harley from the children I can see.
So, if it were the right James (father of Susan from marriage certificate) then there might be a family relationship between the parents.
There are quite a few Harleys in Annagary.

I can’t see a birth for Susan.

For the children in 1911, I can only see that birth for Annie - not the others. It’s all a bit strange.
Hopefully, someone else might spot them.