Help please: William Tomsey CREECH

[ForBill]

Death of child Joseph William-

POWER Joseph William
Father Thomas Richard
Mother Kate Ann U (unknown)
Age:4M
Birth Place BALL
Year 1870
Reg  164

Sue

I have an extract from the Old Ballarat Cemetery... Joseph William Power 4M buried 15/01/1870. Which if this is correct he was born in 1869. Thomas Russell Power death registration alludes to a deceased William 8/12. I wonder if the 8/12 means 8 months?

I had a quick look at the Ballarat Star Newspaper no birth, death or marriage notices around these dates.

Given I live in Melbourne I can duck into the Cherry Tree (also had an infamous past as a watering hole during Melbourne's gangland wars) and see if they have any old records. Liquor licensing may be worth following up?

Thanks for your on going help.

Dvaid

[sparrett]

have an extract from the Old Ballarat Cemetery... Joseph William Power 4M buried 15/01/1870. Which if this is correct he was born in 1869.

David, I gave you the birth registration in reply #45

I will re-check Ballarat Cemetery for you.

ADDING
Checked my Ballarat resource.
No others share the space with the child.
His last address was Lyons St, Ballarat.

Yes, I would say the informant  on Thomas' death certificate has the age as 8 months and also the child referred to is quite possibly this Joseph William.
Informants are often incorrect in their information.

Who was the informant?

As mentioned, details from the certificates of Thomas Russell and Ann Kate POWER would be a help.

Sue

[sparrett]

Electoral Rolls are available online  for Victoria from 1903

From 1903 to 1909 Kate Ann POWER lived at 53 Carlisle St. St Kilda.
Over those years she is listed either as being of independent means or performing home duties.
No others of the surname are with her.

In 1903 man named Thomas Russell POWER is listed at 230 Leicester St. Carlton. Independent means. No others of the surname are with him.

So it would appear from at least 1903, the couple were not together.

I have read Kate Ann POWER's  will.
Sue

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sharon rothery
Are you able please to tell us the source of your list of children attributed to Elizabeth BERNARD which you have given in Reply #20. Is it only from the index, or do you have another source?

While those births to 1865 would seem to be with father Thomas POWER, those after are less certain to my way of thinking.

Sue

[sharon rothery]

Hi Sue
The information was given to me via another forum.  Elizabeth Ann, Anne or Hannah Bernard registered the later children as Power but that does not mean that he fathered them as mentioned in the same post on here some of the later children had Morrish as a middle name and there was a Martin Morrish in the area at the time.  Elizabeth does not seem to be the most honest or stable of people.  I have no reason to doubt the information given the poster that helped me is good.  I will have a dig through my work later and see what is there.

I can see no trace of the other children haven been taken into care, Louisa and Laura were both back in care in 1874 which is the same year as the birth of the last of the 3 later children. I have Mary Louisa' life pretty much worked out as she is a direct relative

Sharon.

[sparrett]

Thanks Sharon.
It seems to me that there is no way to know that Thomas Russell POWER was the father of all or some or which of the children.

Supposing he fathered the four children up to 1865, (Harry) and assuming- as it cannot be located - there was no marriage to Elizabeth BERNARD in 1860 or any other time, then the marriage he made with Kate Ann O'BRIEN was perfectly legitimate.

Elizabeth gave the information regarding Thomas, his whereabouts and occupation to the state authorities when the children went to care. I suspect it is fictitious.

Her ongoing use of the name POWER when registering the births of her children means nothing. Perhaps she just  wanted them to all have the same surname to save face.

Sue

   

[sharon rothery]

David

Elizabeth A Lewis and Charles Lewis arrived on the ship Ontario July 1854
Index to Assisted British Immigration 1839-1871 book 11 page 46
I have a digital copy of the page but it is so hard to make out,the info came from my relative contact in Aus and I'm guessing it is easier to read from a physical copy.

Sharon

[sharon rothery]

Thanks Sharon.
It seems to me that there is no way to know that Thomas Russell POWER was the father of all or some or which of the children.

Supposing he fathered the four children up to 1865, (Harry) and assuming- as it cannot be located - there was no marriage to Elizabeth BERNARD in 1860 or any other time, then the marriage he made with Kate Ann O'BRIEN was perfectly legitimate.

Elizabeth gave the information regarding Thomas, his whereabouts and occupation to the state authorities when the children went to care. I suspect it is fictitious.

Her ongoing use of the name POWER when registering the births of her children means nothing. Perhaps she just  wanted them to all have the same surname to save face.

Sue

 

I am of the same opinion,she does come across as a troubled soul.  I have seen (and will dig deeper) that over here in the UK she was in a workhouse at the age of 11.  There are some heartbreaking parts to researching,I have discovered that my GGGM Mary Louise and her daughter Laura both suffered a stillbirth within 6 years of each other,My relative in Australia has visited the graves.

Sharon

[ForBill]

David, I gave you the birth registration in reply #45

I will re-check Ballarat Cemetery for you.

ADDING
Checked my Ballarat resource.
No others share the space with the child.
His last address was Lyons St, Ballarat.

Yes, I would say the informant  on Thomas' death certificate has the age as 8 months and also the child referred to is quite possibly this Joseph William.
Informants are often incorrect in their information.

Who was the informant?

As mentioned, details from the certificates of Thomas Russell and Ann Kate POWER would be a help.

Sue
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Hi Sue.... my goodness you are fast! Today at work, I have been thinking about all this new information. I really appreciate your help!

The informant was a H Richardson Clerk, Authorized Agent, Melbourne Hospital.

The two documents I have are greater in size than A4  and up to A3. My wonderful partner can scan these tomorrow (our little scanner at home is not up to the task lol) Is it ok to PM the results to you? pdf's will probably be around 1mb so hopefully I can do via this site.

I will be opening a new thread about Harry & Thomas Russell.  I will have to order birth and death certificates/registrations for all the siblings/children of all parties.

Cheers

David

ps I have noted everything posted here and elsewhere... Lyons Street Ballarat is on the ever expanding list! fantastic work by you...again!