Help please: William Tomsey CREECH

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Now the plot thickens... Thomas Russell, our Clerk turned miner, appears to have married a Kate Annie O'Brien in Ballarat East, Victoria on 9th November 1868 at St Alipius Church. The copy of the marriage certificate is very ordinary but has TR Bachelor  at Clerk 33 and KA Spinster School Mistress at 26 Birthplace Cork for both. TR parents, William Francis Power (accountant)  and Mary Russell. This TR dies 27th September 1916 in Melbourne aged 82, accountant, 40years in Victoria. Parents unknown. Wife Kate O'Brien. Issue: "one male dead William 8/12" Kate died 31st October 1918 Born Cork, 60 years in Victoria, married to Thomas Power in Ballarat (age is illegible) NO ISSUE? Kate's Will was written before Thomas died, yet no mention of him...all went to her sister(?)

 

POWER Thomas Russell ( born Cork)
Kate Anne
Year 1868
Reg  3964

A birth-

POWER Joseph William
Father Thomas Richard
Mother Kate Ann OBRIEN
Birth Place BALL
Year 1870
Reg 327



There is no marriage in Victoria between Elizabeth BERNARD and Thomas Russell POWER in 1860


These items may pertain to the Thomas Russell POWER who was the father of Harry POWER

The Farmer's Journal and Gardener's Chronicle   Saturday 7 June 1862

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/179383847

NEW INSOLVENTS.
Thomas Russell Power, of Fitzroy, gentleman. Causes of insolvency: Pressure of creditors, and fear of arrest. Debts, £109 2s 5d; assets, £5; deficiency, £104 2s 5d. Mr Good-
man, official assignee. John Cunliffe, of Melbourne, commission agent. Causes of insolvency : Pressure of creditors, inability to obtain a settlement of accounts with C. Watt and Cos. Debts, £l3B 17s; assets, £136 14 Id } deficiency, £2 2s lid. Mr Courtney, official assignee.

12th Sept 1863

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/155020632

Thomas Joseph Russell Power, of Richmond, late publican, now out of business. Causes of in solvency : False representations made reporting the takings of tho Cherry Tree Hotel, losses in trade, And pressure of creditors. Liabilities, £300 7s 9d ; assets, £15 9s 3d; deficiency, £284 18s 6d. Mr -Jacomb, official assignee.

Sue

[sharon rothery]

Hi David,

Lovely to hear from you.  I have tracked down living family members of mary Louisas (my GGGM) daughter Laura and have had many a lengthy email conversation with them in Australia,If this would be of interest to you please let me know.  The people on here are great and massivly helpful,Cando as been a great help and has helped me out no end.  Im a newbie myself and with others help it is amazing how far you can go.  My Great Grandfather was Claude Harry,I am guessing the Harry came from Marys brother Harry Power.
Sharon.

[ForBill]

 
The Harry Power mentioned above is my GGGF. He was born in Melbourne, Victoria 6th February 1865 and died 21st June 1919 Darlinghurst, NSW. Note I am awaiting death certificate. There was an article in a Sydney newspaper on 2nd July 1919 that could be about our Harry. Family knowledge has Harry and his eldest son (William Henry Power, known as William Harry) as champion West Australian billiards champs. Note there are 2 death notices in the West Australian on 23/06/19 for 2 Harry Power's. This has been a stumbling block, I believe, for various people researching this branch of our tree.  The copies my dad and others had were poor copies and the 2nd notice was illegible.

 

Hi David,
I really cannot see why these two deaths would be a source of confusion for researchers.

They are clearly for two different men.

The West Australian Saturday 21 June 1919
 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27608583

POWER.—On June 20, at Base Hospital, Fre-mantle, Harry George, late beloved husband of Francis, and father of Harry (America), Ernest (on active service), Arthur (died of wounds), Bert and Stan (returned), Grace and Daisy, Leon and Roll, of Railway-crescent, Bayswater, and late of Brentford, England, also of the Loco. Shops, Midland Junction, aged 56. A patient sufferer at rest.


The West Australian  Monday 23 June 1919

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27608731

"POWER.-On June 21, at Darlinghurst Sydney, Harry. the beloved husband of Esther and father of William, Dudley, Myrtle,and Polly."
Inserted by his son and daughter in law W. and M. Power


His birth in Vic

POWER Harry
Father Thomas Russell
Mother Elizabeth BERNARD
Birth Place MELB
Year 1865
Reg  10285

This lengthy news item gives a picture of his life.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/58004454

 Sue

Hi Sue

Thank you for the article! This helps with another lead regarding Coolgardie, WA (near Kalgoorlie) ... I have a copy of one page titled "Coolgardie Pioneers" there is a photo of a group of men, with one listed as Harry Power. I plan to post it later if I get no joy from the Coolgardie Historical Society.  The main reason for the confusion, sorry I should have been clearer, is the copies dad and others had were very poor quality... photocopied 30 plus years ago.

Thanks so much for your help.

Regards David

[ForBill]

   
 
Now the plot thickens... Thomas Russell, our Clerk turned miner, appears to have married a Kate Annie O'Brien in Ballarat East, Victoria on 9th November 1868 at St Alipius Church. The copy of the marriage certificate is very ordinary but has TR Bachelor  at Clerk 33 and KA Spinster School Mistress at 26 Birthplace Cork for both. TR parents, William Francis Power (accountant)  and Mary Russell. This TR dies 27th September 1916 in Melbourne aged 82, accountant, 40years in Victoria. Parents unknown. Wife Kate O'Brien. Issue: "one male dead William 8/12" Kate died 31st October 1918 Born Cork, 60 years in Victoria, married to Thomas Power in Ballarat (age is illegible) NO ISSUE? Kate's Will was written before Thomas died, yet no mention of him...all went to her sister(?)

 

POWER Thomas Russell ( born Cork)
Kate Anne
Year 1868
Reg  3964

A birth-

POWER Joseph William
Father Thomas Richard
Mother Kate Ann OBRIEN
Birth Place BALL
Year 1870
Reg 327



There is no marriage in Victoria between Elizabeth BERNARD and Thomas Russell POWER in 1860


These items may pertain to the Thomas Russell POWER who was the father of Harry POWER

The Farmer's Journal and Gardener's Chronicle   Saturday 7 June 1862

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/179383847

NEW INSOLVENTS.
Thomas Russell Power, of Fitzroy, gentleman. Causes of insolvency: Pressure of creditors, and fear of arrest. Debts, £109 2s 5d; assets, £5; deficiency, £104 2s 5d. Mr Good-
man, official assignee. John Cunliffe, of Melbourne, commission agent. Causes of insolvency : Pressure of creditors, inability to obtain a settlement of accounts with C. Watt and Cos. Debts, £l3B 17s; assets, £136 14 Id } deficiency, £2 2s lid. Mr Courtney, official assignee.

12th Sept 1863

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/155020632

Thomas Joseph Russell Power, of Richmond, late publican, now out of business. Causes of in solvency : False representations made reporting the takings of tho Cherry Tree Hotel, losses in trade, And pressure of creditors. Liabilities, £300 7s 9d ; assets, £15 9s 3d; deficiency, £284 18s 6d. Mr -Jacomb, official assignee.

Sue

Sue

Thank you again.... The birth of Joseph William I will follow up.... but no mention of children on Kate's death registration, which could have been the lack of knowledge of the informant. Also no mention of children in her will.

Cheers

David

[sparrett]

Hi David,
As you have the death certificates of both Thomas and Kate Anne POWER, it would be very helpful if you would take the time to transcribe them. Please give the information in each column, omitting nothing and being as precise as you can.

There may be just a little detail there which can help a researcher.


Sue

[ForBill]

Hi David,

Lovely to hear from you.  I have tracked down living family members of mary Louisas (my GGGM) daughter Laura and have had many a lengthy email conversation with them in Australia,If this would be of interest to you please let me know.  The people on here are great and massivly helpful,Cando as been a great help and has helped me out no end.  Im a newbie myself and with others help it is amazing how far you can go.  My Great Grandfather was Claude Harry,I am guessing the Harry came from Marys brother Harry Power.
Sharon.

Hi Sharon

I have been on this site for one day and everybody has been fantastic! Yes I am interested to hear from Cando and Dundee...hopefully they will see the thread.

I would love to chat to my OZ cousins!

Regards & thanks David Power

[ForBill]

Hi David,
As you have the death certificates of both Thomas and Kate Anne POWER, it would be very helpful if you would take the time to transcribe them. Please give the information in each column, omitting nothing and being as precise as you can.

There may be just a little detail there which can help a researcher.


Sue

Hi again Sue! Being a newbie I am not sure if I can simply scan them??? If not I will transcribe what I can.

I feel that Thomas Russell Power and Elizabeth Hannah were married just before Harry was born, certainly after the birth of the 2 Lewis girls. Somewhere in the thread is a reference to the Lewis girls fathers death. Collingwood and Fitsroy are next to each other and a stones throw from where Harry was born and the Cherry Tree Hotel in Richmond is also very close. Wow I used to drink there many years ago!

If Thomas Russell was insolvent, he may have " chosen" to change his name slightly? It is interesting that Harry, his son William and grand son Dudley were involved in hotels in NSW & WA.

Regards David

[sparrett]

 Hi David,
Just to reiterate-

There is no marriage in Victoria between Elizabeth BERNARD (or LEWIS) and Thomas Russell POWER
Also none from the time of Victoria's civil registration 1853 and 1889.

The Cherry Tree Hotel, Richmond is not really close to Collingwood and Fitzroy . It now sits in the heart of Cremorne.  Perhaps you  could consult the online map services to judge.

 It is not possible under the rules of R'chat for you to scan and paste the documents.  That is why  a laborious transcription is the answer here


Sue

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Death of child Joseph William-

POWER Joseph William
Father Thomas Richard
Mother Kate Ann U (unknown)
Age:4M
Birth Place BALL
Year 1870
Reg  164

Sue