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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #9 on: Monday 13 October 14 12:20 BST (UK) »
When someone dies,   the people there usually know what day they died ( unless they find the body just lying around ).   A doctor is generally required to state what the cause of death was.   This information is current information at the time the person died,   and is going to be as reliable as the technology of the time will allow.

The quality of other information varies a lot, depending on who is providing it.   A spouse ?  A child ?  A sibling ?   A neighbour ?

Particularly if someone was an immigrant,   who came without their family,  even a spouse may have very little knowledge of parents-in-law  they may have never met,   or who may have been dead long before they even met their spouse.

Even if a knowledgeable person exists,   they are not necessarily the person who gets asked to provide the details on the form.



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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #10 on: Monday 13 October 14 12:27 BST (UK) »
Thanks for explaining that so nicely and clearly that makes perfect sense to me!! I have a thats clicked moment :-)

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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 00:48 BST (UK) »
thetowers has given you a good explanation.

Marriage certificates are likely to be the best sources of information as the bride and groom give the information themselves and they usually know the facts.  Of course, there is no guarantee that the 'facts' they give are correct!

It is also worth remembering that the need to produce identification is fairly new.  Before Medicare you fronted up to the hospital, doctor and told them your name, no need to prove who you were, so you could be using another name very easily, both in giving birth and in dying.  No need to prove your ID for marriage records either.  And, even recently, when I gave my aunt's details to the undertaker to be forwarded to the registry no-one asked for my ID, nor for any proof that I was giving the right information.  Of course they knew my aunt's name but her parentage details were just on my say-so.

WW1 and WW2 enlistment required no ID either.

As for different spellings of names it's very common.  Nowadays you fill in forms yourself but in the past the registrar asked for details and s/he wrote it on the form. So it was easy for a name to be mispelled, especially in early days where illiteracy was not uncommon. Handwriting was used in most cases with some letters looking the same eg your Rowling/Rawling. Then the original form was transcribed into the index allowing for more possible errors.   It's not unusual either for names to be mixed up - for example, the registrar might ask for name of mother and the informant is unsure which mother is meant - the baby's mother, the informant's mother etc.  It's a wonder any of us can find anything!  ::)

The other thing to remember is that an index has very limited information so certificates are often needed for better information.  Usually an index gives the place in which the registration was made - it is not the actual place where the BMD occurred. 

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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 01:10 BST (UK) »
Hi Judith. thats great advise i didnt know that ID wasnt asked for back then but i guess it makes sense. i like the advise on the marriage cert thats very handy to know that they may be a bit more reliable source of information. would that be the same as birth? as you would assume its the parents registering a birth of a child?

thanks for your advise/tips makes looking at records a bit easier knowing what you guys have taught me. thanks again!!!  :)


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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 01:36 BST (UK) »
Marriage certs have the most reliable info. Only one person (usually parent) needed to register a birth so there may be wrong information given, especially re the other parent.  Also the marriage information on a birth certificate may be incorrect especially if the couple has not formally married or when illegitimacy is being covered up.  Having a baby out of wedlock was often seen as 'sinful'.  People give a date/place of marriage which is wrong.

Ages are often incorrect for various reasons, some deliberately to mislead.  I have a great-aunt who only got 8 years older every ten years in the UK censuses!  Ages on shipping/immigration records may be false to fit with costs of the fares or to qualify for assisted passages.  Shipping records are often not very carefully compiled.

Oh PinkFairy, I can see you are getting hooked on this genealogy lark!

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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 04:41 BST (UK) »
another brilliant tip i never thought to think that ages could be changed for certain reasons. explains a lot now thinking back on some records iv looked at.

this family tree stuff is very addictive the more you find the more you want to and NEED to know!! but these tips are really invaluable i will have to go back on some stuff and look again as i ruled out certain records as the birth date and ages ect were sometimes widely different from one record to another so i assumed they must be the right names but belong to someone else as the ages just didnt match at all. so i have plenty food for thought now!! thanks again these tips are great!!

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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 06:21 BST (UK) »
Hi PinkFairy7,
Looks like you have caught the family history bug. I'm afraid there is no cure for this life long condition and although at times it can be frustrating, I can assure you that it is a very rewarding condition to have ;D ;D ;D You will no doubt hit some brick walls along the way, so don't be afraid to keep the questions coming, as it helps to have feedback from fresh viewpoints. The great benefit is that we all learn something new everyday too and most importantly we enjoy helping each other.
cheers :)
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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 14 October 14 06:42 BST (UK) »
Oh yes, very definitely addictive, and it is the best of addictions to have, there's so many friendly fh buffs around, and the journey is full of surprises, and hiccups and grand discoveries too. 

Congratulations on becoming an addict.

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Re: William Rawlings and Harriet Walton
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 02 May 15 00:36 BST (UK) »
Hi, I have just joined Rootschat and wondered if your problem had been solved. I have done some initial research on the Rowlings family from Inglewood, Qld where Naomi was born.