Coles - Clutton/Norton

[SpitzMum]

Right! I have the marriage Certificate!

3rd September 1913

John COLE, 23 years, Bachelor, Coal Miner (Hewer),Hobbs Wall Farmborough, Father William COLE Labourer (Mining).

Rose DANDO, 26 years, Spinster, Hobbs Wall Farmborough, Father George DANDO Miner

At register office in Clutton, Somerset.

Witnessed by Tom Hillard and Emma Hillard


A few things are interesting here.

1. Family name from this generation onward was Coles with a s, not Cole.
2. Rose's Dad is on all other censuses as John Dando/Albert Dando. And now he shows up as George!

Today's job is finding birth records for all of them, and any further census data.

Rose's Dad is going to be an interesting one to pin down I think!

[KGarrad]

Hmmmm! You may be following the wrong parents?

1891 census
Class: RG12; Piece: 1926; Folio: 17; Page: 16
Hobs Wall, Farmborough, Somerset

Dando, George  Head  M  26  Coal Miner  b Farmborough
Dando, Keziah  Wife  F  23  b Lyneham, Wiltshire
Dando, Rosina  Daughter  F  4  b Farmborough
Dando, Lilly  Daughter  F  1  b Farmborough


1901 census:
Class: RG13; Piece: 2331; Folio: 18; Page: 14
Hobs Wall, Farmborough, Somerset

Dando, George  Head  M  35  Coal Miner  b Farmborough
Dando, Keziah  Wife  F  33  b Lyneham, Wiltshire
Dando, Rosina  Daughter  F  14  General Servant  b Farmborough
Dando, Lilly  Daughter  F  11  b Farmborough
Dando, Annie  Daughter  F  8  b Farmborough
Dando, Daisy  Daughter  F  6  b Farmborough
Dando, Arthur  Son  M  9 months  b Farmborough

[SpitzMum]

I wish I could go back to the 1800s and impress upon people how important it is to use your full actual name in all official documentation, as it creates a logistical nightmare for your descendants trying to trace their family tree in 100 years' time... 

Marriage Certificate states Rose, and you'd use "Rosina" if you were a Rosina, wouldn't you? Hmmm.

This is massively complicated now!

Thanks for your help. I think I'm going to try to unravel the Coleses, and then have a think on the Dandos after that!

[SpitzMum]

It strikes me as a bit odd her using "Rosina/Rosena" on all census data but on her marriage certificate uses "Rose".

[KGarrad]

All I can say is:

Right father;
Right address;
Right age;

Perhaps she didn't like "Rosina" and preferred to be known as "Rose"?!

She wouldn't be the first, or the last, to want to be called something different once she reached adulthood!

[SpitzMum]

Blimming teenagers. 

Thanks for your help

[SpitzMum]

Well George DANDO b 1865 - Rosina's Dad - is a bit of a special snowflake as well.

1871 Census has him living with Louisa DANDO, who is purporting to be his mother, along with 3 other siblings, Mary, Martha and Elizabeth.

If you then go back 10 years, Louisa is living with her parents, George DANDO and Elizabeth (nee Bridges)... and her three younger sisters, Mary, Martha and Elizabeth.

In researching, it looks like his Mother may have been Elizabeth (nee BRIDGES) rather than Louisa, as Elizabeth died in 1866, shortly after George was born.

So either his is illegitimate and Louisa is his Mother, or he is Elizabeth's son, and Louisa then stepped in to look after her siblings after her mother died... I have therefore ordered his birth certificate. So that will be sorted out one way or the other shortly. 

And then I wonder what happened to Louisa's Dad (George c.1808 DANDO). I find him on 1871 census living with his SON (!). Named Abraham MARTIN. I find the baptism record for Abraham MARTIN, and his parents were a Elizabeth MARTIN, and a George "MARTIN" <cough>. No available marriage record for those two, no census data, and in a totally different village to where George DANDO 1808 had always lived. I have a hunch that someone had a son out of wedlock and to save blushes he is on the baptismal record as being a different surname.

Abraham MARTIN has a seemingly complicated family life as well - he is on the census with children of his first marriage (1848 to Sarah BURTON, Shepton Mallet, who I believe died c1852) in 1871.
His then wife is Patience MARTIN, who has children seemingly from a previous marriage, all surname LEWIS. Then he has children with Patience who all have surname MARTIN.

I cannot find a record of a Patience LEWIS marrying Abraham MARTIN. I have found a record of a Patience CROCKET marrying a Joseph LEWIS (Monmouthshire 1834).

As a final epilogue - George DANDO 1808 - the only birth record I can find for the right place (different year, but that varies across several sets of census data) is of a "baseborn" son. So here endeth the paternal line I think.

[KGarrad]

Which all goes to prove the importance of documentary evidence!

Where any family has "problems" birth and marriage certificates (while the may not always tell the whole story) are very helpful, if not essential!!