Will of John Isaac HOLBOROW, 1881, Sydney

[judb]

Oh dear, it's as bad as when the supermarket revamps and you can't find things.  However once I've got my brain in gear I guess I'll manage it! 

Thomas MAGGS, alias HOLBROW was convicted of burglary at Taunton Assizes 29 March 1823.  Held on the hulk Justitia at Woolwich before transportation 15 July 1823.  The register of hulks gives his age as 19 in 1923 so he's a bit older than John Isaac - however economies with the truth are not unknown 

Tasmanian records give him as 'missing' or 'absconded' by 1826. Quite a tricky enterprise to abscond from Tasmania. 

Judith

Judith

[majm]

Was that 40 years in NSW on the 1865 dc ?    1865 - 1826 = 40 

There is a public tree which has an image of the death certificate for
John Isaac HOLBOROW, 65,
Died 23 July, 1881 at Botany Rd, Waterloo
Cause of death: phthisis,
Parents: William HOLBOROW, Margaret GREEN
Certified by S HOLBOROW, son
Place of birth England, 40 years in NSW
Buried 26 July at Catholic Necropolis
Married at age 24 to Margaret HURTLE? or HINDE?, Sydney NSW
Children, 4 males, 2 females, none deceased

[judb]

Yes 40 years in NSW but the d o d was 1881 so = 1841 arrival but if he was really Thomas MAGGS....

I'm not very convinced about Thomas MAGGS but it's a possible.  Judith

[majm]

Agh,  65 years of age !   well, trust me to read something without my specs on my nose !

Cheers,  JM

[AshkeJ]

Waiting with bated breath for the Probate packet...............

You and I both!

I note that there are a couple of mentions of D HOLBORROW arriving 1839 from (via?) Launceston (Tasmania or Cornwall?) - I assume that's Daniel but can't see anything for John/Isaac.

I believe Tasmania - its mentioned in his obituary that he arrived on the barque Annie Watson and the corresponding passenger manifest suggests Tasmania and not Cornwall - the journey was only 4 days.

Thanks also for those photos/maps of Daniel's shop - I'm always amazed at what information lies out there!

Yes, I had come across this Thomas Maggs alias Holbrow character before but had discounted him as a possible for John Isaac Holborow based on the dates on his death certificate. Although if he was a convict and had "absconded" then perhaps he would've been somewhat economical with the truth ... although for now I am discounting him as a candidate!

Interesting about the lack of possibilities regarding his arrival in NSW - if he wasn't on any of the manifests, does it mean that he may have come from a neighbouring state? I have to confess that I'm somewhat woolly with Australian history off the top of my head and when each statehood was granted - but could he have come overland via Victoria?

Ahh - I have now searched the online indexes (only the Index of Assisted Immigrants is available for the period in question) and can't find a single Holborow/Holbrow/Holborrow/Holborough ...

Thanks for all the effort you guys are extending on this fellow! I really do appreciate it!  Looking forward greatly to receiving the images of the probate packet following Ros' visit on Tuesday! I'll definitely share anything here!

Dom

[majm]

Absconding in the 1820s .... likely needed to stowaway on a coastal trader to Sydney, or perhaps on a transport returning  with garrison forces completing a tour of duty, perhaps to Madras.    Victoria was hived off from NSW in 1851.     The Henty Bros date their agricultural settlement at Port Phillip from around 1834 (I remember some things from my Social Studies at Primary School  ).  So there basically wasn't any overland route from Port Phillip to Sydney in the 1820s, as Sir Thomas Mitchell (Surveyor General) did not get to Australia Felix until around 1836.     

Could that Thomas MAGGS perhaps be father or Uncle or brother to John Isaacs born about 1816?  Perhaps worth keeping him on the distant horizon.

We also need to remember that there's many passenger lists where the steerage passengers are just recorded as a number, and of course, not all passenger lists are extant, and of those, not all are available online.

Cheers,  JM

[thetowers]

I wonder if John Isaac's son has inadvertently mixed up the mothers and attributed a mother called Margaret to his father,rather than his mother.

Judith

...and I wonder how he didn't even know his own mother's name 

Debra 

It may not be an issue of "not knowing his own mother's name".   It may be an issue of misunderstanding the question he was asked, by the person filling in the form.

[thetowers]

   Victoria was hived off from NSW in 1851.     The Henty Bros date their agricultural settlement at Port Phillip from around 1834 (I remember some things from my Social Studies at Primary School  ).  So there basically wasn't any overland route from Port Phillip to Sydney in the 1820s, as Sir Thomas Mitchell (Surveyor General) did not get to Australia Felix until around 1836.     

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamilton_Hume

Hamilton Hume and William Hovell walked directly to Melbourne in 1824. 

There's a reason why the main street in Coburg is called Sydney Road,   and in other places it is called .... guess.

Mitchell travelled via Balranald and Kerang and discovered the more fertile "western district" of Victoria, quite a bit later, as you say.

[majm]

Hamilton Hume and William Hovell walked directly to Melbourne in 1824. 

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hume-hamilton-2211

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/hovell-william-hilton-2202


Hume and Hovell
These two explorers left Gunning in October 1824, for Westernport, and, instead, they errrrr  got to Corio Bay, Port Phillip, and were back at Gunning by 18 January 1825.   Melbourne of course, had not yet been been named ! or even established.   As a result of the report  Hume and Hovell  made to the Governor Brisbane, Brisbane  then decided to send a party to Westernport by SEA (not overland).  This party did not leave Sydney until late in 1826, and did not get back to Sydney until 1827.    It is my understanding that there was no direct overland permanent track, frequented by settlers or absconding convicts until after Mitchell’s 1836 explorations.   

We are talking about hundreds of miles (550 or so miles) here across some difficult terrain, Melbourne to Sydney as a possibility for an absconding VDL based convict from before 1826. 

Add
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Victoria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coburg,_Victoria


Cheers,  JM.