Will of John Isaac HOLBOROW, 1881, Sydney

[rosball]

Hi Dominic,
   I am planning to go to NSW Record Office on Tuesday and will photograph for you.

cheers,
   Ros

[judb]

Oh, JM, please tell me how to be appointed "inspector of nuisances".       

There is a public tree which has an image of the death certificate for
John Isaac HOLBOROW, 65,
Died 23 July, 1881 at Botany Rd, Waterloo
Cause of death: phthisis,
Parents: William HOLBOROW, Margaret GREEN
Certified by S HOLBOROW, son
Place of birth England, 40 years in NSW
Buried 26 July at Catholic Necropolis
Married at age 24 to Margaret HURTLE? or HINDE?, Sydney NSW
Childre, 4 males, 2 females, none deceased

The name for his spouse is definitely Margaret with a surname quite hard to read but possibly HURTLE or HINDE.     I cannot see mention of this marriage on NSW indexes.

I note that NSW BMD has two index numbers for the marriage of Isaac HOLBOROW and Johanna CANTWELL
2190/1844 V18442190 93 - district LD (Roman Catholic, Sydney, St Mary's)
209/1844 V1844209 121 - district CH (Hexham, Newcastle, Christ Church)

I'm not very good with NSW records so perhaps someone else can have a look and see if this is significant or merely some kind of error.

The marriage certificate for Isaac HOLBOROW and Johanna CANTWELL is also shown on the tree.

NEW SOUTH WALES 2190 Vol 93
Isaac HOLBOROW Member: Roman Catholic Church Abode: Sydney
Johanna CANTWELL Member: Roman Catholic Church Abode: Sydney
29 May 1844, St Mary’s Church
Minister: John McEncroe Religion: Minister of St Mary’s Church Abode: Sydney
Witnesses: C.J. Bullevant of Sydney, Mary Cantwell of Sydney

It would be good to know where you think he may have come from in England.  Also I note a number of TROVE entries (and other records) for another HOLBOROW family with possible patriarch Daniel HOLBOROW who was proprietor of a drapery store in George St Sydney in the 1800s.  This chap seems to have come from the Gloucestershire area but I haven't had a really good look.

Judith

[majm]

At Rookwood Roman Catholic Sec * M1 * A * * 215
John Isaacs HOLBORAN,  age 65, burial 25 July 1881


In NSW, the various Inspector of Nuisances were Local Government jobs,  (often in charge of the team responsible for the removing of the night soil !) 

http://www0.health.nsw.gov.au/aboutus/history/eraend.asp   

Cheers,  JM

[judb]

Thanks JM - hmm perhaps I'm not applying for that job.  Judith

[judb]

I'm not sure if this is any help whatsoever for you, however.........................

Children listed:

John Isaac's death certificate states that there are 4 male children and 2 female children.

Johanna's death certificate (happy to transcribe if wanted) shows these children - next to the names I have correlated the NSW BMD birth index entries.  Johanna died in July 1895.  her name is consistent on the entries but Isaac changes to John.  Some children not on the index.

Isaac Holborrow 50 years;  - 329/1845 V1845329 62 Isaiah, father Isaac
Arthur William Holborrow 47 years; - 4689/1847 V18474689 64 Arthur, father Isaac
John Holborrow 43 years;
Peter Holborrow 40 years;
Esther Moggridge 37 years;
Mary Bridget Holborrow 35 years - 3351/1860 Mary B, father John I

There is another birth
1608/1846 V18461608 63 Patrick A HOLBORROW, parents, Isaac, Johana

There is another birth also which may be of interest given that John Isaac's son has suggested a marriage to a Margaret    Probably a red herring.
575/1846 V1846575 63 Catherine HOLBORROW, parents John Margaret.

Judith

[Neil Todd]

I think the two registration numbers are only because of submitted returns one from Hexham and one from StMary's. JM to correct me if wrong

Neil

 Oh yeh Inspectors of Nuisances also stopped people from Hoicking stuff out the front, off the verandah, Sanity overcame sanitary. 

[AshkeJ]

Holy moly!  Thanks to everybody for all of that!! 

Yes, I was aware of the two marriage entries and ordered the Catholic certificate, hoping that it may have more info on it than the other (Protestant?) marriage - but no parent details were included. Had I realised it was the same one as attached to the Ancestry tree then I would've ordered the other to make sure. I always assumed that one of them was Catholic and one of them not - hence the two marriage entries. I also assumed that it was Johannah who was Catholic as I haven't yet come across any Catholic Holborows in the UK - but that's quite a leap! 

I also trawled Trove (great resource that it is - found some great stuff there over the years) for the birth and death announcements of John and Johannah's children. As for the Daniel (mayor of Ashfield), I don't know if Daniel and John were brothers or cousins or quite what - hence hoping the will might have some info.

The Holborow family comes from a very small area of Gloucestershire in England - although over time moved throughout the county and neighbouring ones (there is a separate line in Suffolk - so far I don't know how they connect to the Gloucestershire line - if at all). With it being such a rare surname I have no doubt that the two families in Australia were connected.

The details on the death certificate trouble me somewhat as I can't find a birth entry for an S. Holborow, nor any births with John Isaac and Margaret as parents. Also glad I am not the only one unable to track down a possible marriage!

Daniel's parents were William Wraxall Holborow and Jane Greenman, and he was born in Cromhall, Gloucestershire in or around 1818. I have a number of other children born to William and Jane - and although there is an Isaac there is no John Isaac - and I am reasonably certain that this Isaac married Elizabeth Smith in 1850 in or around Tetbury, Gloucestershire and they had a number of children in England, thus quite possibly discounting him from being the Australian John Isaac.

Thank you for the details from Johannah's death certificate and the overall list of her children. Interesting regards the daughter (Esther) who married a Moggridge ... A different branch of the Holborow family moved to New York in the 1850s and one of the sons (also called Isaac) married an Elizabeth Ann Mogridge there in 1867! No idea about the Patrick and the Catherine ...

Apologies if this is a bit of a rambling response ...!

[majm]

I think the two registration numbers are only because of submitted returns one from Hexham and one from StMary's. JM to correct me if wrong

Yes, more often than not the reason for two, and sometimes up to four or five, different reference nos. for marriages prior to 1 March 1856 (commencement of civil registrations) is simply the record of the ONE marriage, being transmitted through the various NSW Chaplains to the Sydney office.   Christ Church, Hexham in the 1840s was of course where C P N Wilton was stationed.     I have spent some time going through the online images (via Rootschat links, see below), but I have not located that ceremony in the parish register that has been imaged.    There were of course at least two registers operating concurrently (one as a back up for the other).   While it is at least unusual to find a RC ceremony in a C of E register in the 1840s, it would not be unusual back earlier in NSW Early Church Records (particularly in the decade of the 1810s and into the 1820s).     But it would definitely be unusual for two separate ceremonies to be held for the marriage of the one couple, one a RC service and one a C of E service.   

The Early Church Records for RC services in the Newcastle district are usually coded LK or LL.     The NSW Parliament passed Acts for RC services in about 1834, so these would not have needed to be transmitted via C of E registers, but via RC registers to St Marys Cathedral in Sydney.   
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/short-guide-4
Vol 121 is shown as " Supplementary Registers - Baptisms, Burials and Marriages, 1827-1901"  (EDIT after reading Dundee's later post ..... I have drawn line through "Burials and Marriages" to better reflect the accuracy of the NSW SRO guide's mention re Vol 121 that I have linked, so please See Dundee's later post re Vol 121 - 123)

There are flaws in the NSW BDM indexes.   Perhaps CH has been wrongly coded to this particular marriage.   

I will pull thinking cap down a tad harder 

BUT if anyone is about to order that document, please please please, do not waste your pennies on the real deal certificate, and instead consider ordering an official transcription.   In both instances you will only get a typed transcription, and the Official Transcription Agents are cheaper and will send through as an email attachment, and if you order the full transcription, that is as good as the real deal document for family history purposes.   

There are in fact at least THREE registrations for that 1844 marriage 
Vol 93, Line 2190, Isaac HOLBOROW and Johanna CANTWELL, registered LD
Vol 121, Line 209, Isaac HOLBOROW and Johanna CANTWELL, registered CH
Vol 131, Line 209, Isaac HOBERTON, and Johanna CANTWELL, registered LD

Now, re Christ Church Cathedral, Hexham and the images of the registers there....  Thanks to RChat NSW resources board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0
here's the links
Baptisms, Marriages, Burials, Christ Church Cathedral, Newcastle
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606066769147/ 1820 – 1899 Family Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605008173551/ 1826 – 1837 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157604433014652/ 1837 – 1838 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605132739200/ 1839 – 1861 Baptisms, Marriages, Burials
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605674610949/ 1856 – 1868 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605785759029/ 1869 – 1885 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605802132868/ 1885 – 1897 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606197590347/ 1899 – 1913 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157605928662968/ 1913 – 1914 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606308436455/ 1914 – 1916 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606323070651/ 1916 – 1918 Marriages Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606450662513/ 1918 – 1929 Marriage Register
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uon/sets/72157606952230042/ 1929 – 1936 Marriages Register

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTD6-2FN   Peter Joseph H's baptism
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTD2-BY2   John Isaac (the son) 's baptism

So some further spellings of the family name 

Holborough  for Peter Joseph
Halbrow  for John Isaac, son of  Isaac 

Cheers,  JM