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Why is William, Billy?
« on: Tuesday 07 October 14 17:56 BST (UK) »
Being a William and having always been addressed as Billy, a lady asked me why people called William are called Billy? How could I be expected to know, it's only a recent thing with me,  (the last 70 years).
 

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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 07 October 14 18:04 BST (UK) »
http://mentalfloss.com/article/24761/origins-10-nicknames

Link gives some info on your query.

The other names on the link are

Dick     =       Richard
Hank             Henry
Jack              John
Chuck           Charles
Peggy           Margaret
Ted               Edward
Harry            Henry
Jim               James
Sally             Sarah     :)

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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 05:27 BST (UK) »
And then it only gets really confusing when Ted can also be short for Theodore. Don't get me started with Bert.......  ::)
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 08:43 BST (UK) »
I can see the Ted in Theodore and the Bert in Albert, but where is the 'B' in William.


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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 08:58 BST (UK) »
I think it's partly rhyming tradition (e.g. Dick for Rick?), and partly because hard consonants are easier to pronounce?

So, Richard became Rich, then Rick, then Dick.
William became Willy or Will, and then Billy or Bill.
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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 09:39 BST (UK) »
Why Peggy for Margaret?

Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 09:40 BST (UK) »
Bert was/is Albert, Wilbert, Norbert, Bertram, but why not Robert?
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

Pine/Pyne, Dowdeswell, Kempster, Sando/Sandoe/Sandow, Nancarrow, Hounslow, Youatt, Richardson, Jarmyn, Oxlade, Coad, Kelsey, Crampton, Lindner, Pittaway, and too many others to name.
Devon, Dorset, Gloucs, Cornwall, Warwickshire, Bucks, Oxfordshire, Wilts, Germany, Sweden, and of course London, to name a few.

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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 09:46 BST (UK) »
Bert was/is Albert, Wilbert, Norbert, Bertram, but why not Robert?

Bert/ Bertie can be short for Robert in Scotland  ::)  (Trust us ...)
I'd an Uncle Bertie whose "proper name " was Robert and I know of 2 other Berts who started out as Roberts.

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Re: Why is William, Billy?
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 08 October 14 09:46 BST (UK) »
I had a great uncle Bertie, which I always thought was short for something, but later found his birth was registered as Bertie.

On other side of family had a great aunt Daisy, who I had great trouble finding marriage record for, until I was told by another relative that her real name was Marguerite - which as gardeners will know is a posh daisy
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott