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Offline Jean McGurn

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #27 on: Sunday 03 July 05 09:02 BST (UK) »
I agree that using 1837online can be expensive if you are searching for a 'common' name (Jones, Smith even Harris) However whilst searching the 1861 census yesterday I had a fantastic stroke of luck when searching for one of my Harris line.

I used the advanced search and put in Thomas Harris with one of his children who I knew was aged about 10 and bingo up came a couple of matches. I clicked on the one I thought was nearest (Liverpool) and there was the family. Thomas -  occupation Tailor that was a tick, wifes name Ellen - a second tick and there was John the third tick. So there he was with the added information that really had me over the moon. He was born in Carnarvon Wales. I have finally found the Welsh connection, albeit with a different branch of the family.

Now all I have to do is find them on my 1871 CD's cos they are not living at the address there were at in 1861. ???

So I would suggest if you are searching for a common surname use the advanced search and just put in the odd bits of info you have. You never know you may get lucky.   

Jean
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Offline Irene Lilian Hunt

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #28 on: Sunday 03 July 05 11:20 BST (UK) »
This is my final gripe on this subject!!!!!  Twelve years on from paying a lot of money to a chap in England (he is now deceased I believe- or has moved on (address) or doesn't acknowledge correspondence) I am now discovering that what he gave me was a load of old ****.   OK he got it right back three generations but that wasn't hard seeing as I fed him info. 

Now I am "paying" again.  To right the wrongs!!

But then I guess twelve years ago I was somewhat naive about what people promised (even if they did advertise in Family Tree Mag.).

Now I do as much for people gratus because I subscribe to various sites and I ask for nothing - he asked for heaps!!  And stupid me paid it!!!

Irene, Australia
NORFOLK: Spinks, Clay, Balls, Fife, Whistler, Head, Child, Youngs, Rising, Millican
SOMERSET:  Clay, Crosse, Oldfield, Harding, Curry
SHROPSHIRE:  Hunt, Cox, Bloore, Blantern, Cooke
FLINTSHIRE: Hunt, Mather, Cooke
KENT: Barwick, Jarman, Pearce, Graves, Beane, Scales
ARMAGH:  McArdle
TIPPERARY:  Beven/Bevens/Bevins, Cleary, Ryan
OFFALY: Cleary
GERMANY:  Conrades, Busse, Habenicht, Appuhn, Hage, Hillmer, Hernig, Wockener, Meyer, Schnranz
ESSEX:  Smith, Page

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #29 on: Sunday 03 July 05 12:12 BST (UK) »
It's all a case of Caveat Emptor, eh ::)

Just a word on Irish rip-offs - or not!!

I think that our expectations of Ireland are often perhaps unfairly coloured by what we know is available in our home countries and/or England and Scotland.  And also by our misunderstanding of the nature of family history in Ireland (so often oral rather than written).

A long time ago I was really peeved (I now realize quite unfairly) by what I got from the official Co Mayo (South Mayo) family history centre at very significant cost - especially as I'd provided virtually all the factual information myself from the very informative certs of, and newspaper extracts in, Victoria, Australia in the mid-1800s.
And yes, I think they'd geared their charges to the US market at the time (we do live in a market-driven world).
Some time later I ordered in all the relevant Mayo films to my local LDS FHC.  There was nothing more to be found!  And what was there was virtually unreadable.  A little later again, for various reasons, I realized that the people at the centre had done everything they possibly could do (probably quite time-consuming as they'd also told me that a particular Henry BURKE was not mine and had provided townland maps) and that they were really heavily involved in the family history of the region, that they wanted to help and to find out as much as they could, and that it was costly to run their operation.  And that they didn't understand our expectations (and didn't even begin to understand our suspicions).

If there's nothing to be found, search as they will (and for as much time as they will) they won't be able to find it ....

As for the good news!

Well, Irish individuals re Co Donegal (amateurs and professionals) have been wonderfully helpful at no cost.  Yes, I ended up buying a book on Glencolmcille written by one but the return to him would have been minuscule.

And a professional Irish researcher, well-known on the Internet, gave far more than I expected (or was good for his business) re my query; yes, he no doubt hoped I'd employ him though I haven't yet but the preliminary information he provided was fantastic and far beyond what he needed to have done.

And for some years I was helped by a chap in England who has worked wonders for so many people here in Adelaide and elsewhere in Australia - one posted off AUS$s on trust and waited for the outcome.  Always brilliant!  He charged only for the certificate which he sent but inevitably came up with all sorts of peripheral wonderful information all written out in the most beautiful copperplate.

Like everthing, it's up to the buyer to be discerning ....

JAP

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #30 on: Monday 04 July 05 08:48 BST (UK) »
Good to have the other side put, JAP!  You have indeed been fortunate recently - I am quite envious!

But - it's all very well to say, "Let the buyer beware", but when you are here in Australia and you want some research done in England or Ireland, even, it is very difficult to know, in perusing a list of names, who will give you good value and who won't.  The people I know here are beavering away on their own account and haven't used professional researchers, so it is difficult to ask for recommendations.  I have the name of someone who is a friend of a friend in England, but she wants fifty pounds upfront before she starts, so by the time I can judge whether she is worthwhile, I will have shelled out that money, either for good value or not - I cannot tell.  I imagine this is what happened to Irene.

Your point about Ireland being geared for the American market sounds likely.  I still think the quote I got sounded very expensive for what it was.  And again, they wanted the money upfront so I couldn't pay part of it and evaluate what they were finding!

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Offline Irene Lilian Hunt

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #31 on: Monday 04 July 05 09:46 BST (UK) »
Despite having said that I had made my last comment on this thread I can't help myself and must say more!!!

I have had wonderful stuff from a researcher who has only charged for his "transportation costs" and "photocopies" but we did come to grief some time back when he said he had engaged someone to recover money I owed him.

My main argument was that if I give him details on someone and he goes and takes numerous photocopies of the same stuff from many angles and charges me the equivalent of three dollars Australian per page - when they are all the same - tell me nothing more than I told him - then I get cranky!!!

Acts of Genealogical Kindness - seems more to me like - let's make some money here!!!!  Three dollars Aust. a photocopy!!!  It must be very expensive in the UK to take a photocopy.

That's my experience.

Irene
NORFOLK: Spinks, Clay, Balls, Fife, Whistler, Head, Child, Youngs, Rising, Millican
SOMERSET:  Clay, Crosse, Oldfield, Harding, Curry
SHROPSHIRE:  Hunt, Cox, Bloore, Blantern, Cooke
FLINTSHIRE: Hunt, Mather, Cooke
KENT: Barwick, Jarman, Pearce, Graves, Beane, Scales
ARMAGH:  McArdle
TIPPERARY:  Beven/Bevens/Bevins, Cleary, Ryan
OFFALY: Cleary
GERMANY:  Conrades, Busse, Habenicht, Appuhn, Hage, Hillmer, Hernig, Wockener, Meyer, Schnranz
ESSEX:  Smith, Page

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #32 on: Monday 04 July 05 09:52 BST (UK) »
Interested in what JAP had to say and perhaps the info on the chap who was so good could be shared!   I for one would welcome the chance to engage/employ an honest researcher in the UK!

Irene
NORFOLK: Spinks, Clay, Balls, Fife, Whistler, Head, Child, Youngs, Rising, Millican
SOMERSET:  Clay, Crosse, Oldfield, Harding, Curry
SHROPSHIRE:  Hunt, Cox, Bloore, Blantern, Cooke
FLINTSHIRE: Hunt, Mather, Cooke
KENT: Barwick, Jarman, Pearce, Graves, Beane, Scales
ARMAGH:  McArdle
TIPPERARY:  Beven/Bevens/Bevins, Cleary, Ryan
OFFALY: Cleary
GERMANY:  Conrades, Busse, Habenicht, Appuhn, Hage, Hillmer, Hernig, Wockener, Meyer, Schnranz
ESSEX:  Smith, Page

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #33 on: Monday 04 July 05 12:33 BST (UK) »
All these examples of uneven charges makes me think that, with genealogy such a burgeoning business, there ought to be some sort of regulating body about what researchers can charge, and how they ought to behave - a bit like the Law Society for the legal profession; or at least some kind of person/organisation/fall-back like the Ombudsman.  Or perhaps there is some kind of regulation already in place, that I haven't heard about...
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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #34 on: Monday 04 July 05 13:00 BST (UK) »
All these examples of uneven charges makes me think that, with genealogy such a burgeoning business, there ought to be some sort of regulating body about what researchers can charge, and how they ought to behave - a bit like the Law Society for the legal profession; or at least some kind of person/organisation/fall-back like the Ombudsman.  Or perhaps there is some kind of regulation already in place, that I haven't heard about...
Keith

Not sure about the Law Society as a good example Keith. The people who charge the most for photo copies usually belong to such a society.

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Re: Spending your money on Family research - where are those bargains?
« Reply #35 on: Monday 04 July 05 13:32 BST (UK) »
There is, it is the age old law of consumerism and the law of supply & demand.
Consumer choice will quickly place any firms that vastly overcharge out of business.
Whilst those that charge realistic rates and provide a good service will prosper.
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