Harradines of Bedfordshire

[bedfordshire boy]

Her daughter was born 1873 in Maidstone, Kent.  Her birth cert lists the father as Richard Harradine and mother Hannah Winser. 

Is this the birth of Anne Haradine in the Dec quarter 1873 in Maidstone? It looks to be either a deliberate cover up or else an administrative shambles!

When Annie Winser married Thomas Tee in 1894 she named her father as George William Winser. What was going on? Do you have her marriage cert for her second marriage to Christopher Murray?*

David

* later I see from one of your postings back in Feb 2010 you said his eldest daughter's second marriage named her father as Edward. You also said he was named as Richard in all other marriages of his children. Which he clearly wasn't, per above!

[johnP-bedford]

...... particularly as Edward Aspital married Sarah Harradine at Northill on 13 Dec 1768, both otp.

I wonder who the witnesses were at Sarah's wedding.

They were Stephen Adams & William Chiles?

Don't know if they're any help

[bedfordshire boy]

Thanks John. I was hoping for a Harradine!

[jbml]

Try a new derivative of the name : such as Harding ?

Poor Law Index & Beds Archives has an entry ref P64/13/1b/7 dated 21/4/1701 Richard Harradine, carpenter wife & children, settlement at Potton from Moggerhanger.

There's an Admon for Richard Harrowden/Harradine of Potton, carpenter ref A 1716/29

However the NBI has burial at Potton dated 19 Apr 1716 in name of Richard HARDING

Blunham/Moggerhanger PR index groups Harro(w)dine with Hardin/g ?

John - I think you may just have found me an ancestor!!

I have a great x7 grandmother Mary Harradine, who married Richard Richardson in Potton on 29 March 1730. Richard Richardson was a basketmaker, and the first known recipient of an apprenticeship paid for by the John Snitch charity (he also happened to be a nephew of John Snitch ... and was apprenticed to his own father, as this had not yet been made illegal).

So far, I have not managed to find anything at all on Mary Harradine prior to her marriage ... but I think there is a strong possibility that she may either have been one of the children of Richard Harradine settled at Potton from Moggerhanger in 1701, or have been a further child of his born after 1701 (I have penciled her birth in as "circa 1705").

I have no baptism for her as yet, but I'll keep looking for one ... although it does look as though not all Harradine children were baptized.

I don't want to derail this thread, however ... so I shall start a further thread to discuss this possibility.

[bedfordshire boy]

Try a new derivative of the name : such as Harding ?

Poor Law Index & Beds Archives has an entry ref P64/13/1b/7 dated 21/4/1701 Richard Harradine, carpenter wife & children, settlement at Potton from Moggerhanger.

There's an Admon for Richard Harrowden/Harradine of Potton, carpenter ref A 1716/29

However the NBI has burial at Potton dated 19 Apr 1716 in name of Richard HARDING

Blunham/Moggerhanger PR index groups Harro(w)dine with Hardin/g ?

Potton PR transcript describes the 1716 burial as Richard Harding, carpenter, so I'm pretty sure Harding/Harradine is the same person.

Whilst Soundex on the IGI doesn't include Harding as a variation of Harradine, FindMyPast does. And there are numerous Hardin(g) baptisms in Potton, including Sarah on 11 Nov 1705, dau of Richard and Sarah, carpenter

Odd that whilst the Settlement Cert mentions children I can't find baptisms of any children other than the one in Potton which was later.

[johnP-bedford]

Morning....  I had a look at that Settlement certificate at the archives on Monday....
To Overseers of Poor of Potton..... This is to certify that we the Overseers of Muggerhanger acknowledge that Richard Harradine, carpenter to be an inhabitant legally settled in Muggerhanger and we will receive him, his wife & children if he shall have any.....

Sealed & delivered in presence of Mathew HARADON, Edward Hill & Humprey Tommas?  plus the Overseers.

So he may not have a wife & children - they were just covering themselves?

Cheers John

[johnP-bedford]

..... more.... the Admon regarding Richard Harradine, carpenter of Potton dated 27 Apr 1716 states that Sarah Harradine of Potton, George Pedley, maltster? & John Trulove, victualler swear on oath that she Sarah Harradine is the relict of Richard Harradine, late of Potton

Now find the marriage of Richard to Sarah ?

[bedfordshire boy]

Morning....  I had a look at that Settlement certificate at the archives on Monday....
To Overseers of Poor of Potton..... This is to certify that we the Overseers of Muggerhanger acknowledge that Richard Harradine, carpenter to be an inhabitant legally settled in Muggerhanger and we will receive him, his wife & children if he shall have any.....

Sealed & delivered in presence of Mathew HARADON, Edward Hill & Humprey Tommas?  plus the Overseers.

So he may not have a wife & children - they were just covering themselves?

Cheers John

Thanks John, just shows you should always look at the original, not a brief description. That makes a lot of difference, and would explain why I haven't found any baptisms! Doesn't explain why I can't find the marriage though!

David

[yelsel]

Richard Winser was said to be 45 on death in Dec 1883, putting his birth back to 1838 if the age is accurate. There's a birth of an unnamed Male Winser in Tenterden in the March quarter 1838. I'd be tempted to get this birth cert to see who the parents were to increase the chances of tracing them in censuses


David

Hi David, I had already ordered this birth certificate, which is for James Winser b 2nd Jan 1838. Don't know why it comes up as unknown male, the certificate is clear enough. His parents were one of the two Winser families in Tenterden at that time.

Ref Annie Harradine, yes she was born 5th Oct 1873 in Maidstone and yes I have her second marriage cert.  This shows her father as Edward Windsor. I also have the birth and wedding certs of the other children which all have the father as Richard Winser. 

Through researching I met Annie's great granddaughter from her marriage to Charles Murray.  The family stayed in Dover and last year my husband and I went to Dover to meet her and to see where my great grandmother and Nan were born.  Between us we have spent a lot of time trying to solve the mystery of Richard.  As she lives in Dover she is able to go to various record offices but so far nothing to tell us who is really is.  Maybe a puzzle that will never be solved.  Perhaps like some of the Harradines he wasn't baptised.  Maybe my 2xgreat grandmother and Richard were not married. 

Lesley