Harradines of Bedfordshire

[bedfordshire boy]

FindMyPast puts Harding as a variation of Harradine

[yelsel]

Hello

I've just logged in and can't believe the information you both have given. It will take me a while to digest it all, but I am starting to agree that I have been barking up the wrong tree thinking that the Sandy Harradine's were the same family as the James (born in on Old Warden) that I originally asked about and that the James Harradine who died in Southill is him after all. It seem that the lack of records runs in the family as I can't find a marriage record for my 2 x great grandmother Hannah (granddaughter of James b1783).  I can't thank you enough for all the looking up you are doing, I'm finding it very interesting.

Lesley

[johnP-bedford]

.... as I can't find a marriage record for my 2 x great grandmother Hannah (granddaughter of James b1783).

OK Lesley, Tell us more about this Hannah, who were her parents, when was she born, who did she marry & when/where was this - if you know ?

 

[bedfordshire boy]

John, she may have been aged 9 in 1861 born Shrivenham, Berks dau of George b 1817 Southill and Elizabeth b 1826 Hants. It looks as though George married Elizabeth Grandy at St Martin in the Fields in the Mar quarter 1851. George was a servant for a viscount in Marylebone in the 1851 census.

An online tree shows Hannah marrying Richard Winser in Dover in 1872, then George Muddle in Dover in 1885 (which confused me!), then Albert Smallman in Guildford in 1899, before dying back in Dover in 1956*. Haven't checked it out in detail but it looks OK.

If this is the right Hannah, Lesley, which marriage are you looking for?

George Richard Muddle m Annie Winser in Dover in the Dec quarter 1885 vol 2a page 1748
I can't see the marriage to Winser, so I take it that this is the one you can't find? As in 1881 their eldest child was born in Maidstone I wonder if Dover is the correct marriage place.

David

* Sunday morning This looks iffy. More likely Annie Smallman age 76 in Dover Dec 1929

[bedfordshire boy]

I can't see a marriage of a James Harradine and Rebecca in Beds but there is a marriage in St Olave, Southwark on 29 Jul 1807 between James Harredine and Rebecca Sarl, and there's a baptism of a Rebecca Sarl in Southill on 9 Feb 1783 daughter of William and Jane Sarl, carpenter. Not proof though!

The proof, or as near to proof as you're likely to find, is supplied at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01bl0/  "By special licence, Harradine esq of Southhill Bedfordshire to Miss Searle of the same place." (The Monthly Magazine or British Register vol 24 1807)

[bedfordshire boy]

I'm finding it very interesting.

So am I! Particularly as it impacts on Ann Harradine my ancestor who is also a mystery. But JP's the one doing the hard work, running down to the Archives every other day - thanks John!

[johnP-bedford]

The proof, or as near to proof as you're likely to find, is supplied at http://www.rootschat.com/links/01bl0/  "By special licence, Harradine esq of Southhill Bedfordshire to Miss Searle of the same place." (The Monthly Magazine or British Register vol 24 1807)

Good find David, being an esquire means he had a good status in society as you've mentioned before

[yelsel]

Hi, yes this the correct Hannah.  She was born 1852 in Shrivenham, Berks.  Her parents were George Harradine and Elizabeth Grandy who married 21/03/1851 in St Martins in the Field. George was born 1817 in Southill, son of James Harradine and Elizabeth Cox.  He sadly committed suicide in 1875 by drowning himself in the Grand Junction Canal, Kensal Green, Kengsington, whilst of unsound mind. Elizabeth was born 1825 in Christchurch, Hampshire and died 14/02/1888 at 105 Church Road, Battersea.

Hannah's first husband was Richard Winser (see 1881 census) and this the marriage I can't find.  She is on the 1871 census as Hannah Hanadine in London.  Her daughter was born 1873 in Maidstone, Kent.  Her birth cert lists the father as Richard Harradine and mother Hannah Winser.  The other 3 children were born in Dover.  Richard died 11/12/1883 in Dover.

Hannah then married George Richard Muddle 10/10/1885 in Dover and had 3 more children. George died 1897 in Dover.

Hannah then married Albert Smallman 17/10/1899 in Guildford and she died 20/11/1929 in Dover.

The 1881 census is the only census Richard appears on, giving his birth in Tenterden, Kent about 1840.  There is no birth record for him, but there was a couple of Winser families in Tenterden at that time and a birth record of George Winser in 1840.  George appears on census records until 1871 and then disappears.  A record was found of a christening for Rachel and Mary Ann Winser in 1857 in New Romney, parents Richard Winser and Mary Ann.  George was living in New Romney around that time.  Could Richard really be George?  We are still looking for a connection.

Lesley

[bedfordshire boy]

Richard Winser was said to be 45 on death in Dec 1883, putting his birth back to 1838 if the age is accurate. There's a birth of an unnamed Male Winser in Tenterden in the March quarter 1838. I'd be tempted to get this birth cert to see who the parents were to increase the chances of tracing them in censuses


David