Harradines of Bedfordshire

[yelsel]

Hi, I am researching the Harradine/Harrodin family and have found the following records which I have not able to verify.

James Harradine born 1783 in Old Warden. I know his wife was Elizabeth born about 1782 in Bedfordshire and I found a marriage to Elizabeth Cox on 15 Mar 1812 in Southill. Both James and Elizabeth died in London but were both buried in All Saints Church, Southill.  Is this the right Elizabeth and who were her parents.

James' parents James and Elizabeth Harradine.  James born 31/03/1751 in Sandy. I found a marriage to Elizabeth Mardelden on 10 Oct 1770 in Old Warden, but haven't found any records of a birth for her.  Possible death for James 22 Aug 1813 in Sandy and Elizabeth 4 April 1817 in Southill.

James parents Isaac and Elizabeth Haradine. Isaac born July 1732 in Sandy.  Possible marriage to Eliz Shelton 16 October 1749 in Sandy, birth details not known. I did find a burial record for Elizabeth Harodine on 20 Feb 1752 in Sandy shortly before the death of a son William who died in March 1752. I also found a marriage for Isaac to Ann Franklin 14 Dec 1788, did he remarry? Possible death of Isaac 28 Nov 1797 in Sandy.

Isaac parents Isaac Harradine and Elizabeth.  Isaac born about 1698 in Sandy.  Possible marriage to Elizabeth Squire on 11 Feb 1723 in Sandy. Her birth details not known. Possible burial of Elizabeth 20 Mar 1748 in Sandy and Isaac 08 April 1757.

Apologies for the many requests but if anyone can confirm or add anything it would be appreciated.

Many Thanks

[bedfordshire boy]

Virtually all Beds baptisms and marriages pre 1813 have been extracted onto the IGI at www.familysearch.org so, as long as the entries are in the Community Indexed IGI section,  they're reliable.

Short of completely going through your Harradine tree your request is too expansive. You need to break it down into bite sized portions so that we stand a chance, otherwise any replies will become too messy.

Let's start with the most recent event:

James Harradine born 1783 in Old Warden. I know his wife was Elizabeth born about 1782 in Bedfordshire and I found a marriage to Elizabeth Cox on 15 Mar 1812 in Southill. Both James and Elizabeth died in London but were both buried in All Saints Church, Southill.  Is this the right Elizabeth and who were her parents.

The marriage in Southill on 15 Mar 1812 - both were otp, but James was a widower, so you need to be looking for an earlier marriage. There's a baptism of a James Harrowdine in Southill on 27 Aug 1809, son of James and Rebecca, and a burial of James Harrowdine on 10 Sep 1809 (no other detail for either event). There's a burial in Southill on 26 Sep 1810 of Rebecca Harrodine, so this may be the first marriage. I can't see a marriage of a James Harradine and Rebecca in Beds but there is a marriage in St Olave, Southwark on 29 Jul 1807 between James Harredine and Rebecca Sarl, and there's a baptism of a Rebecca Sarl in Southill on 9 Feb 1783 daughter of William and Jane Sarl, carpenter. Not proof though!

When were they buried in Southill? I assume you've found them in censuses to establish their birthplaces (counties). In fact they seem to have been living in Southill in 1841 James 58 and Elizabeth 59, but Elizabeth's birthplace is NOT born in Beds.

What's the evidence that James was the one baptised on 22 Jun 1783 in Old Warden?

David

[janan]

James Harradine born 1783 in Old Warden. I know his wife was Elizabeth born about 1782 in Bedfordshire and I found a marriage to Elizabeth Cox on 15 Mar 1812 in Southill. Both James and Elizabeth died in London but were both buried in All Saints Church, Southill.  Is this the right Elizabeth and who were her parents.

The marriage in Southill on 15 Mar 1812 - both were otp, but James was a widower, so you need to be looking for an earlier marriage. There's a baptism of a James Harrowdine in Southill on 27 Aug 1809, son of James and Rebecca, and a burial of James Harrowdine on 10 Sep 1809 (no other detail for either event). There's a burial in Southill on 26 Sep 1810 of Rebecca Harrodine, so this may be the first marriage. I can't see a marriage of a James Harradine and Rebecca in Beds but there is a marriage in St Olave, Southwark on 29 Jul 1807 between James Harredine and Rebecca Sarl, and there's a baptism of a Rebecca Sarl in Southill on 9 Feb 1783 daughter of William and Jane Sarl, carpenter. Not proof though!

David

Good circumstantial evidence though, David. I can't find any London baptisms for children of James and Rebecca so that is a bit more weight. Also one of the witnesses is a John Sarl and William and Jane baptised a John in Southill 5 Dec 1784. I would think they are well worth exploring further,  yelsel

Jan

There is a John Sarl born Southill c 1788 in Streatham in 1851

[bedfordshire boy]

I think it's probably the right marriage Jan - if I didn't I probably wouldn't have mentioned it, at least not without raising red flags.. It is, as you say, good circumstantial evidence, but ideally I'd like a bit more than that. As Elizabeth Cox says that she wasn't from Beds perhaps she was from Southwark, and I think I'd be looking at this angle (a bit later - muddled thinking - why would Elizabeth have been from Southwark? She could have been from anywhere. Ignore that! )

David

[janan]

Ah see you've added a bit about Elizabeth Cox not being from Beds, David. I also added a bit more about John Sarl born Southill being in Streatham in 1851.

Yelsel you say James and Elizabeth died in London - How do you know? Where did they die? Did James have a family connection in London perhaps?

Jan

[bedfordshire boy]

An Elizabeth Harradine aged 68 was buried in Southill in 1847, and a James Harradine aged 74 in 1853. But I can't find James in 1851.

David

[bedfordshire boy]

You ask "Is this the right Elizabeth?". In the absence of any other information eg the baptism of a child of James and Elizabeth, it's impossible to say other than Yes, this is the Elizabeth who married James Harradine widower in Southill in 1812. If the Harradine that you're researching was one of the three Harradines baptised in Southill between 1812 and 1820, children of James and Elizabeth, then the answer is probably yes, it's the right Elizabeth. If you're researching a Harradine baptised in a parish other than Southill the answer is probably, no this is not the right marriage.

The answer depends on what you're trying to prove!

David

PS I've just found that my 4xg grandmother was Ann Harradine baptised 1765 in Southill. Perhaps we're distantly connected. I didn't get very far in tracing her family. Now I'll have to look harder!

[bedfordshire boy]

There were two Harradine families living in Southill in the 1801 census:

James Harradine who shared a house with an Isherwood family. 2 families, 4 males, 2 females, 2 employed in agriculture, 1 in trade. Impossible to know with any certainty if James was single or married - a Robert & Frances Isherwood baptised a son in Southill in 1800. They only married in Southill in 1799 so my interpretation, which might be wide of the mark, is that there were two families each with 3 members in it (Later: they were connected - Frances Isherwood was née Harradine, but I can't find her baptism)

and

John Harrowdine, 1 family, 3 males 3 females, 2 employed in agriculture, 4 not working in either agriculture or trade. I can't see who this family was so can't rule out the possibility that James was a part of it and therefore wasn't the 1783 Old Warden James whose father was James.

With baptisms that I can't trace, pointing to possible non-conformity, of which there were a number in Southill (as Jan and I know to our cost!), unless you have a firm link to James in Old Warden I don't think you can assume that he is the right James

[bedfordshire boy]

I didn't realise that the name Harradine derives from the hamlet of Harrowden in nearby Cardington. You live and learn!