Harradines of Bedfordshire

[bedfordshire boy]

Thanks very much John. You didn't have to rush straight down the Archives - tomorrow would have done! I'll put a comment on the Findagrave page as it's downright misleading (later - edit submitted). But I think that what you found clarifies the position, and I agree with your conclusion.

Thanks again

David

[bedfordshire boy]

More thinking out loud, as I'm struggling with these Harradines, and I find it helps to put thoughts into writing.

We now think that James was born c1743, married in Old Warden in 1770, moved to Southill in 1785, died in Cardington in 1820 and was buried at Southill aged 77. Was he an unidentified/unbaptised son of John, whose marriage I can't find, who received a distribution of bread in Southill in 1753?

Then there's John who married by licence in Old Warden on 23 Oct 1776, not described as a widower so I assume he was a bachelor, moved to Southill in 1790, and whose burial after 1801 when he appeared in the census in Southill I can't positively identify. Did he move back to Old Warden where he was buried aged 86 in 1816? If so he's older than I thought. If it's not him, who was he? Not old enough to be the father of James though.*

The two of them seem to be of different social standing. James was an Overseer of the poor in Southill, and his children seem to have been relatively well to do, particularly the family of Samuel in Cardington. John's son Samuel moved back to Old Warden after marriage where he was an ag lab.

If anyone has any thoughts I'm in need of inspiration!

David

JP. This would inspire me: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-magazine-monitor-29549174

* Later: this John's first child was Richard, a twin who died very young, and six years later he baptised another Richard who also died young. Did he follow the traditional naming pattern which make John's father Richard?

[johnP-bedford]

David, God only knows the answer to this !

Whilst at Archives last week I looked at the Harradine marriages which are on microfiche..

Old Warden 23 Oct 1776
John Harradine, otp, bachelor to Ann Armstrong of Langford, spinster
Witnesses Thomas Hoton & John Matthews

Old Warden 10 Oct 1770
James Harradine, bachelor to Elizabeth Mardilen/Mardelen spinster; both otp
Witnesses Edward Aspitall? & Richard Conbred?

Southill 18 Nov 1799
Richard Isherwood, bach, otp to Frances Harradine, spinster, otp
Witnesses Richard Mantel & John Daughton? 

Southill 15 Mar 1812
James Harradine, widower, otp to Elizabeth Cox, spinster, otp
Witnesses John Wheeler & Sarah Wheeler
Although this was by licence the marriage allegation transcript has no further info other than that Elizabeth was aged over 21

I don't know if the names of witnesses give any clues, some I could not read clearly.

Cheers John

[bedfordshire boy]

Very good!

Interesting witness for James 1770 marriage, particularly as Edward Aspital married Sarah Harradine at Northill on 13 Dec 1768, both otp. Another lead to follow.  The only Harradine event in Northill after 1660, unless the Hardings are a name variation. Thanks very much. I wonder who the witnesses were at Sarah's wedding.

David

[johnP-bedford]

* Later: this John's first child was Richard, a twin who died very young, and six years later he baptised another Richard who also died young. Did he follow the traditional naming pattern which make John's father Richard?

Unless Richard was father of Ann Armstrong of Langford ?

Note .... but ... James & Elizabeth (ne Cox ?) Harradine also baptised a son Richard at Southill on 7 Dec 1823 & he was buried there 23 Nov 1824

[bedfordshire boy]

But traditionally the first male child would have been named after his paternal grandfather.

The number of Richards baptised to this family in Old Warden and Southill makes me think that there must have been Richards in earlier generations.

So now we have three Harradines from that area not baptised, at least not in Beds - John perhaps b c1730, James b c1743 and Sarah b c1750. Frustrating!

David

[johnP-bedford]

Re. Edward Aspital who married Sarah Harradine at Northill in 1768. I suspect he may be son of Henry & Mary who baptised an Edward in 1749. There's an Admon of Henry Aspitall, blacksmith of Northill/Ickwell in 1768 so he might be the one buried 20/6/1767. Edward was buried 29/6/1795 (if I assume the Edward buried 3/5/1775 is son of another Henry & Mary baptised the previous year). Beds Archives' database has a marriage settlement ref SL1/122 dated 25/6/1796 that mentions "....cottage or blacksmiths shop, late in occupation of Edward Aspital deceased...". The NBI has burial of Sarah Aspital at Northill on 20 Nov 1822 aged 78 (so born c 1744)     

[bedfordshire boy]

So Sarah was born at roughly the same time as James - 1742-44, which increases the odds of them being siblings. Where though?

[johnP-bedford]

Try a new derivative of the name : such as Harding ?

Poor Law Index & Beds Archives has an entry ref P64/13/1b/7 dated 21/4/1701 Richard Harradine, carpenter wife & children, settlement at Potton from Moggerhanger.

There's an Admon for Richard Harrowden/Harradine of Potton, carpenter ref A 1716/29

However the NBI has burial at Potton dated 19 Apr 1716 in name of Richard HARDING

Blunham/Moggerhanger PR index groups Harro(w)dine with Hardin/g ?