Harradines of Bedfordshire

[bedfordshire boy]

Brilliant! Thanks John, my interpretation is the same as yours, James was either staying with his son Samuel in Cotton End, Cardington, or else he was living there full time. Samuel died in 1848 but in 1851 in Haynes his son Benjamin born 1827 gave Cotton End as his birthplace, so Samuel and family were certainly living there in 1820 when James died. And this is the James whose son James was born in Old Warden in 1783.

Unfortunately it doesn't get us any closer to establishing where he was from! I'm slowly putting all of these Harradines in my Ancestry database - Cooper/Faulkner/Merrill/Surkitt from Beds Cambs & Hunts - in an attempt to see if any patterns emerge. All I've established so far is that the Sandy bunch had their own names - Isaac particularly - which had been used in successive generations from the late 1600s, yet the Old Warden/Southill crew didn't use Isaac at all. The two Old Warden families used the bog standard John, James, Samuel, Richard which were also used by a family in Yelling Hunts, 18 miles away. I'm sure that with a bit more digging and a vast amount of luck I'll find a link between my 4xg grandmother Ann Harradine, and the James Harradine whose death and burial you've just clarified.

Thanks again

David

[johnP-bedford]

Whilst at Beds Archives today I looked out the 2 Old Warden settlement certificates :-

There was no further information as to the Harradine families; however as well as naming the church wardens & Overseers of the Poor for each it has signatures of those who attested ---

for James in Dec 1785 they were James Fields? & John Marillin/Mardlin **

for John in Oct 1790 they were Ebenezer Green & Edward Manywheather

** John Mardlin he may be father or son re. the John baptised 27/10/1754 at Old Warden, son of John & Mary Madlen/Maudlen/Madling/Madeling and most likely related to Elizabeth Mardelen/Mardilin who married James Harrodine on Oct 1770. A John Madlen was buried at Old Warden 17/6/1807       

[bedfordshire boy]

Thanks John. There are spelling variations here that I hadn't considered, and which aren't picked up by Soundex on the IGI

[johnP-bedford]

David; you have Southill transcripts?  did you notice an entry at back of register as so :-

"Five pounds being the legacy of Mr Kelynge of Ampthill was distributed in bread to the following poor of parish of Southill on St Thomas' day 1753"

...... includes John Harrodine & wife, 4 in family

Do you know who these are ? 

[bedfordshire boy]

Thinking out loud here!

I'm zooming in on a Harradine family in Southill where the baptism evidence is a bit sparse:

It was triggered by a note in the back of the parish register: John Harradine, W (widower?), 4 in family, one of c100 poor of the parish of Southill, received bread under the Kelyng legacy on St Thomas day (21 Dec) 1753. Who was he and who were his 3 children*, at least two of whose baptisms elude me (14 Oct 1753 bap Elizabeth d of John & blank may be one of them)? Might the two missing children be James and John who both married in Old Warden? Was he the John bap 1722 son of John & Sarah? And where's his marriage and burial of his wife in 1753?

Other entries which might pertain to this family:
John m Sarah Halfhead 2 Dec 1708.
John inf bur 1709/10.
John s of J & S bap 9 Sep 1722. 
Sarah widow buried 1736. 
25 Jul 1765 bap Ann d of John & Mary (my 4xg).
John lab bur 1778/9.
Eliz wife of John bur 1778/9 - where's the marriage?
Eliz single woman bur 1783 (the one bap in 1753?).

Missing:
- marriage of John bef 1750
- burial of John's wife bef 1753 but see PS
- baptisms of two of John's children bef 1753
- marriage of John & Mary bef 1765 (See PS. Might be the same pre 1750 wife)
- marriage of John and Elizabeth bef 1779

Might these be two different Johns, father and son? (in fact three if you include the John who m Sarah Halfhead (love the name!)

I can understand missing baptisms and even burials, but marriages usually took place in the established church, and almost invariably after 1754 unless they were Jewish or Quakers. There are no Harradines mentioned in Southill Baptist Church book.

All highly speculative, but you have to start somewhere!

David

4 mins after John. Ah! We were thinking in parallel! I've been working on this for the past hour or so! I took the W to mean widow as wife was spelt out in  full in the first two entries. But you are probably right, which cuts down the number of missing entries. And reduces the number of children from three to two, if one of the 4 is his wife*.

[bedfordshire boy]

Hi John

Lesley has mentioned a death of Elizabeth Harradine at Southill on 4 Apr 1817, which I can see on http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=107680963 , yet I can't find it on the NBI on FindMyPast (my Cdrom has given up the ghost). Next time you're in the alternative office do you think you could have a look on Southill microfilm to see if you can find it, and if so what it says. If she's widow we're in trouble, but wife of James would be good!

Thanks very much

David

[johnP-bedford]

That burial is not on my NBI disk .... interesting that the Findagrave entry says she was aged 68 years which is the age that Elizabeth Harradine (wife of James) was when she was buried 11 Apr 1847 so perhaps this user contributed entry is suspect.

But I will check next time I'm in Archives

Cheers John

[bedfordshire boy]

However, the NBI has an Elizabeth Harradine burial in Southill on 31 Mar 1825, aged 79.

[johnP-bedford]

The Southill Parish Registers do not have an Elizabeth Harradine burial on 8 Apr 1817 -if FindaGrave is the only source of this then I suggest it is wrong. If it was sourced by the reading of a gravestone in 2013 (when it was added) then it could be misread. The MI for this grave was recorded c 1916 & has Elizabeth Harradine died April 7th 1847 age 68 & was buried 11 Apr 1847. She is of course the Elizabeth Cox who married James Harradine in 1812.

The other Elizabeth Harradine buried on 31 Mar 1825 age 79 has her abode as Cardington. She is the Elizabeth Mardelen who married James Harradine in 1770 who also had his abode as Cardington when he was buried at Southill in 1820 aged 77.

Thus James H was born c 1743 & wife Elizabeth born c 1746.

The question that's still unanswered is who is this James? Until there is any supporting evidence I am saying he is NOT the one born Sandy in 1751   

Cheers John