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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 14 September 14 06:19 BST (UK) »
Is there anyone going to Wellington Archives who can get me copies of this?

Entry into New Zealand - Wives and Children of Chinese Residents"

17th February 1950
Eight page letter to the Minister of Immigration
From the Controller of Customs (D G Sawers)
Titled "Entry into New Zealand - Wives and Children of Chinese Residents"
http://archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=3800945

Chinese names on the passenger lists.

[Index of] Chinese [Arrivals] 1932-1945
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23609155

Thanks in advance.
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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 14 September 14 23:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen,

Yup!

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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #11 on: Monday 15 September 14 09:18 BST (UK) »
Hi Spades - Me again. How are you these days? I have no idea what is in the files - the 8 pager may be okay - but not sure what is the other file. Thanks again
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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #12 on: Monday 15 September 14 09:21 BST (UK) »
Hi again...

Sorry to keep bothering you. Feel free to ignore me :-)

Thanks very much for the link to the Chinese Community newsletter. Good luck with the commemoration dinner.

And thanks for the passengers lists.

Have you considered taking a few of the passengers names from the first two groups to arrive in Auckland (Niagara arrived 3 Sep 1939 and the Westralia arrived 10 Oct 1939) and looking for them in either the...

"Register of temporary permits to enter New Zealand (R4367442)  1921 - 1939"
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=4367442

or

"Register of temporary permits to enter New Zealand (R4367443)  1939 - 1952"
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=4367443

Maybe you can work out a method to find refugees from the permit numbering. The individual permits themselves have a blanket restriction but I'm sure "historical significance" would get you access to them if desired.

I say "temporary permits" because the following item uses that term...

Births in New Zealand to Chinese Women in Dominion on temporary permits (R13206948)   1941 - 1941
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=13206948

As this item is also restricted you might want to once again try "historical significance", assuming you want to view it. If Archives say no get the Chinese Consulate involved :-)

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There are several passengers with Alien Registration files listed at Auckland Archives. Maybe check the files for clues to... who knows what :-)

Here'a few names...

Cheung May - Chinese (R23646160)  1939 - 1939
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23646160

King Ng Choy - Chinese (R23646212)  1939 - 1939
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23646212

Low Ng She - Chinese (R23646339)  1939 - 1952
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23646339

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[...] a total of 249 wives and 244 children came to New Zealand

[...] 93 Chinese men admitted on the business replacement scheme

[...] 1408 in all who had been in New Zealand for five years or more

How is it that you have such accurate numbers and yet no list of names.

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Sad news, the lady died last night- a long successful life lived.

A fine memorial.

Regards
Beg


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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #13 on: Monday 15 September 14 09:44 BST (UK) »
Hi Helen,

No problem, I'll have a look.

You should thank Beg, as he alerted me to your request. I've been a bit distracted with work and family commitments.

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STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #14 on: Monday 15 September 14 09:58 BST (UK) »
Thanks Beg

Those links I haven't seen before. And I do appreciate your and Spades assistance here. I don't have anyone in Wellington that can get the information for me.

I used to have access to the Poll Tax data base that was on DIA website - but they changed the website, and took it down. Now I have to look people up one by one - and that's assuming that they were a poll tax payer.

As for the numbers, I guess that was in a year book - or some statistics somewhere. My friend came over at 1 years old, with her mother. She doesn't have a birth certificate, and when she became a New Zealander, they made a declaration that she came as an infant with her mother.

I also see on the list that some of the children had English names. I wonder if they were born here, and were returning due to the Japanese war. In which case, they would not be considered as refugees (who had to pay for the privilege)
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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 16 September 14 00:34 BST (UK) »
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[...] not sure what is the other file.

Hi again...

As I read it, the "other file" is the one that will lead to all of the names that you're looking for. The problem is that it's not something Spades can just take a photo of and magically come up with a list of names. To be honest, with the amount of work involved there's a doctoral thesis in it. The subject is certainly of historical significance. Presented properly I'm sure the Chinese government would fund it.

The important bit from the Item Description is the following...

"Registers for Auckland contained name, return/arrival, arrived by (ship name), arrival date, poll tax number, remark (including CR [Certificate of Registration or TP [Temporary Permit] number and student permit) and rotation (file?) number"

[Index of] Chinese [Arrivals] 1932-1945
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23609155

If the Temporary Permits relate to the 1939-1941 period then you're well on your way to compiling your list of names.

Spades, if you're reading this, if possible would you able to order the item and see if it actually does include records from the 1939-1941 period. Maybe even give a brief description of the item (names per page, number of pages, any onward references).

Thanks
Beg

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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 16 September 14 11:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Beg - Not sure if the Chinese Government is interested in what we the "old" Chinese are interested in. They have moved on - but we are still working on our early NZ History. Once the event is over, we hope to have enough stories, old photos, and perhaps this information for someone to work on. I'm tied up working full time, and assisting in the documentation of the Chinese Fruit Shops in NZ
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Re: 75th Anniversary of Chinese War Refugees allowed into NZ
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 16 September 14 19:12 BST (UK) »
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...it's not something Spades can just take a photo of and magically come up with a list of names

Actually... 8) 8)

Sorry Helen, I didn't a chance to contact you yesterday, but if you PM me with your email address I'll send the images tonight.

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HEALEY - IRL?
MURDOCH - Wigtownshire SCT, Otago and Westland NZ
PALING - Nottinghamshire ENG
RILEY - Flamborough; Cottingham; South Dalton ERY, Manitoba CAN, & London ENG
STURTON - Arnold, Nottinghamshire ENG
SUTTRON - All, NRY & DUR ENG
TAYLOR - London ENG
TYLER - London ENG
TERNAN/TIERNAN - Dublin IRL