Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932

[thetowers]

I have had a good look at several NSW mcs in my collection.

I've got several dozen here,  which don't.   They are mostly country people and quite small towns, though.  That may be the difference. 

[majm]

I've got several dozen here,  which don't.   They are mostly country people and quite small towns, though.  That may be the difference.

Sorry to disagree, but most of my fh collection is for my NSW families, born and raised in country NSW, (Central West and Western Division) sometimes in very small townships, mostly on the land, so the certs give the then name of the road and the name of the homestead.  (add particularly the certs for family members who married between the two World Wars, and our OP is asking about a NSW marriage cert for 1930)

Many passenger manifests for those arriving in the UK, USA and Canada up to 1960 and available online, list addresses for passengers while residing in those countries.  So certainly not a recent "crazy idea"

... many of whom would have been returning residents,  or people going to visit relatives or people that already knew.   
It would not have been as routine,  practical or normal, 100 or 150 years ago,   to make advance accommodation reservations,  ......   You didn't need a passportthen, either.

I am fairly sure that passports became the norm from about 1914, in fact unless you were serving in the military, during WWI, you could not leave the UK without your passport.  I also understand and that the requirement for future addresses became the norm on the migration papers from around the same era.   In Australia the passports issued were of course "British" passports, as there was no such thing as Australian Citizenship until 1949. 

ADD, our OP is asking about events that happened in NSW in the late 1920s and early 1930s  all definitely less than 100 years ago.

Cheers,  JM 

[thetowers]

may I please mention that when my now neighbours migrated to Australia in the 1960s they were required to provide their new address and also a letter from their future employer,

Neither then, nor now,  not all immigrants already have an employer.  Some do, some don't .  Depending on what category of visa you have,   you would be expected to have an employer,  or not.  And in many cases,   assumed NOT to have an employer.

The question raised by the OP,  was whether,  in 1929 ,  a British person arriving on a British ship in Sydney,  from Britain,  needed to have ( i.e.   it was mandatory to provide one ) an address they were going to,  in order to be allowed disembark from the ship and not be deported.     I would contend,  they would not necessarily have been compelled to provide one.  If you had been asked this question,  and you didn't have an address,  and you said you were going to walk up to Pitt Street and look for a hotel,  or catch the tram to Randwick and look for a boarding house,  or catch the train to Barth-Hurst and look for a job,   that would have been a perfectly satisfactory answer in 1929,  provided that you looked as if you had enough money to do it.   The freedom of movement, in those days, around the empire,  was remarkably liberal in those days for white people anyhow.

Immigration record or ships manifests can record address, if people have one and provide it.  But to the question,  did you need to have an address,  I think that the answer is no.

[thetowers]

    I've got several dozen here,  which don't.   They are mostly country people and quite small towns, though.  That may be the difference.

Sorry to disagree.

I have a folder sitting in front of my right now,  with several dozen certificates in it,   and only one of them has a proper address ( even a proper rural address ) on it.   You disagree ?  Perhaps I should send them to you, and you can point out the addresses I have somehow not noticed on them,  written in invisible ink, perhaps ?  Or written on the back,  and not copied.

Or perhaps I should try and get a PhD research grant from one of the government's heritage slush funds,   and go and spend two years  to look at all of the records at the registry office,   and come up with some soundly based analysis of how many, or what proportion of them,  have proper addresses on them.   Because the small handfulls of certificates that we have copies of,  are not even statistically representative samples of the data.  The plural of anecdote, is not data.  It's a pointless debate.

Back to the OP ..   the OP's "certificate" ( or transcription ) only lists the town.    This admits to two possibilities
(a)   That's all that was recorded in her particular case ;  or
(b)  The full address was recorded,   and the OP feels that she has not "got what she paid for" .

Several pages back,  the OP seemed to be expressing (b), quite strongly.   It's only my opinion,   and based on my observations, but I think that (a) is also quite likely.  You have a different opinion.

If the OP realises that (a) is quite possible,  she may feel less bitter than someone has cheated her,  and she may also waste less time and effort on a pointless search for the elusive "full" certificate which may be hidden out there somewhere.

Even rigourous statistical analysis is not going to help the OP with information about the facts and perceived omissions on her own particular specific certificate.

 

[majm]

Hi there,

the towers,  May I express my personal disappointment that you seem to have posted in haste.  Surely each of us can contribute to these threads without needing to seek to admonish our fellow RChatters.

Cheers,  JM

[cando]

Would anyone be able to look up a Birth
Certificate for my Mother Caroline Mabel
Thomas born 19th January 1932?
Her parents were Mary ( nee Archibald) and
William James Thomas.

Reply#1

We are unable to help you with this request.  Birth information is restricted for 100 years in New South Wales.  Information on certificates is not viewable online only on certificates or transcriptions of same.  In NSW you are have the choice of purchasing a transcription [AUD20] or a certified certificates for births to 1913, marriages to 1963 and deaths to 1983.  These events are classed as historical and available to anyone.

As your mother died in 1993 in the UK I suggest you contact the NSW bdm registry. 
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_bth/bdm_bct.html

Cando

I've also found that the registers of marriages at
St.James church Sydney are available on microfiche at The Society of Australian Genealogists and
wondered whether this would also contain more information?

The State Library of NSW aka Mitchell Library - Family History Service
The SLNSW has a family history service which occupies the same role as the SAG in terms of assisting family historians, except it is government funded and free to use.
The SLNSW holds a similar collection of microfilms as do the SAG, as they are both part of The Joint Copying Project.

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/ask/

Cando

[Neil Todd]

QUOTE from towers
"Or perhaps I should try and get a PhD research grant from one of the government's heritage slush funds,   and go and spend two years  to look at all of the records at the registry office,   and come up with some soundly based analysis of how many, or what proportion of them,  have proper addresses on them.   Because the small handfulls of certificates that we have copies of,  are not even statistically representative samples of the data.  The plural of anecdote, is not data."

I don't think the idea of Rootschat is to get into slanging matches as you seem ready to do at every opportunity. Tone it down a bit and use it for good not to vent your days anger on. Eh

Neil

[sarah]

I am locking this thread for a few hours unlocked, whilst everyone calms down a little.

Sarah

[majm]

Hoping the following is not controversial.

From 1899 (Sections 5, 23, and 24 Marriage Act No. 15, 1899 ), the following information was required by NSW BDM to be recorded by the clergy re the bride and the groom

The Christian and Surname of the Bridegroom at full length
The Designation, Residence and Condition of the Bridegroom
The Christian and Surname of the Bride at full length
The Designation, Residence and Condition of the Bride
N.B. “Condition”  Bachelor – Spinster, Widower – Widow, Divorced, or Divorced (Petitioner) as the case may be.

The above info is from the front page of a NSW BDM marriage cert, (pre-printed form, foolscap, portrait, both sides used) marriage celebrated in the 1920s.  The reverse side includes further details about the parents of the bride and the groom and other family history information. 

As I understand it, that 1899 Act was still in effect until replaced by the Registration of Births, Deaths and Marriages Act 1899-1934.
http://www5.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/ma1899n15112.pdf 


Cheers,  JM