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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 08:50 BST (UK) »
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On 8th December 1928 William went to Australia on board the Orsova to Sydney. He went as an amateur boxer and whilst on the ship met my Grandmother Mary who was emigrating from Scotland with her sister and stepsister. They married in Sydney in 1929 .

So Wm James THOMAS arrived in 1928, married in 1930 and left again in 1934.

Lots of mentions for Billy THOMAS, boxer on http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

You could purchase a transcription of the full marriage certificate.  I have given you the correct year and registration number in reply#1.

Transcription agents
http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh.html#transcription

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 09:01 BST (UK) »
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Billy Thomas also worked as a general Handyman
although on the passenger list to Australia he is listed as a Mining Engineer
and this is certainly what he returned to doing when the family went back to
Wales in 1934.

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her parents worked for James Packer the Father of Kerry Packer.

Frank PACKER was married in 1934 and among other interests, was a keen boxer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Packer

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Kerry Packer visited them several times when they returned to live in South Wales.

Kerry PACKER was born in 1937.

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 09:11 BST (UK) »
Thanks Cando that's really interesting and I'm now wondering
whether they knew each other through Boxing
Connections.
I'm also wondering whether an extended Marriage Certificate would definitely exist ?
I ordered the Marriage certificate from the Records office but it didn't state at the time that you could either get a shortened or extended version.
Would it be worth contacting the Archivist at St.James's Church to see whether they have a copy of the Marriage Register ?

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 10:18 BST (UK) »
I don't understand a shortened or extended version of a 1934 marriage certificate from the NSW bdm registry.  Any 1934 marriage transcriptions or certificates from NSW bdm should include

Bridge and groom's names, ages and birthplaces, status, occupations and addresses.
Parents' names including mothers' maiden names and fathers' occupations.

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 10:57 BST (UK) »
Both Sir Frank Packer and Kerry Packer had an interest in boxing. From some of my family history Sir Frank was a long time friend of both of my uncle's Merv and Arthur who were both accomplished boxers. Kerry Packer was a very much Long time friend of my Cousin a son of Arthur and he acted as Kerry's personal trainer for many years.

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 13:16 BST (UK) »
 Thanks Neil Todd - My Grandfather ran a club for Boxers in
Bargoed South Wales and Kerry Packer gave them a Trophy
to be presented to the most promising youngster.

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 09 September 14 14:40 BST (UK) »
 8)Cando the certificate I have for William & Mary's marriage
on 5th August 1930 matches the reference number you've attached but
it doesn't include addresses for them.
It merely states that William's usual place of residence is Sydney
and Mary's is Balgownie.
Both Father's names and occupations are listed however although no occupation is listed for either William or Mary.
This is what makes me think this is a shortened version of the certificate- bit confused now !!
BTW do you happen to know whether on arrival in Sydney in 1929 you needed to have an address to go to ?- if so maybe I could look at passenger arrivals to see if that throws anything up .
Thanks for your help so far .

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #16 on: Friday 03 October 14 22:12 BST (UK) »
Hello Cando,
Is it possible to look up the full record of my
Grandparents marriage on 5/8/1930?- ref : 1930/009656
I have what I now believe to be a transcription
 only as it doesn't include addresses - very annoying
as I ordered this in the belief it would be a full certificate
but my mistake completely .
I've also found that the registers of marriages at
St.James church Sydney are available on microfiche at The Society of Australian Genealogists and
wondered whether this would also contain more information?

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Re: Look up for Caroline Mabel Thomas born 1932
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 04 October 14 00:06 BST (UK) »
8)Cando the certificate I have for William & Mary's marriage
on 5th August 1930 matches the reference number you've attached but
it doesn't include addresses for them.
It merely states that William's usual place of residence is Sydney
and Mary's is Balgownie.
Both Father's names and occupations are listed however although no occupation is listed for either William or Mary.
This is what makes me think this is a shortened version of the certificate- bit confused now !!
BTW do you happen to know whether on arrival in Sydney in 1929 you needed to have an address to go to ?- if so maybe I could look at passenger arrivals to see if that throws anything up .
Thanks for your help so far .

Hi there,

May I please ask for the details of where the marriage took place, and the name of the officiating minister/registrar as recorded on the transcription.   It is possible that the "usual address" was recorded (by that person), noting only the "suburb" and not the street address at that time.  The address "Sydney" in 1930 refers to the local government area of the "City of Sydney" which is quite a small geographical area around the Central Business District.    St James is within the City of Sydney.
 

Cheers,  JM
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