Adam Lodge passengers to Australia 1837

[John McElroy]

Cheers Majm....your too clever..!

Made me laugh-- I can almost imagine a illiterate Irishman.
Standing in a que announcing his name in a thick Irish Derry accent ..."McElroy"
No wonder the spelling variations !!

Regards

John McElroy

[majm]

Yes,  well, all I did was use that online index and just entered the ship's name.... and then scrolled through to the "Mc" entries....

and had a good giggle at "Mac" .... "A HOY"  but my resource has Matthew as literate.  If standing in a queue, giving verbal responses to questions, then the ledger is facing the clerk who asks the questions.  Not too many people, even today, can read clerks' scribblings upside down and from a height, even if they are University Professors....

Cheers,  JM

[John McElroy]

 My new mate Majm,

How do you know he was literate ..I'm intrigued.

I clearly need to work the State index better, as I couldn't find Adam Lodge at all (not listed)....I was scrolling through a 100 ships on the index & Trove looking for names & guessing dates..

Without you guys I'd never of known about Adam Lodge ?

I did find Alice in a police report in 1846...being deservedly assaulted for rudeness..(laughing).
Any more info links would be appreciated on Matt & Alice in Ireland ?

Regards
John

[majm]

Go back to my earlier post .... see the reference nos from the State Records .... well I have some (many) offline resources NSW-centric, and I also have offline indexes.   I looked these up and typed up from those.   I am presuming they are based on the State Records NSW reels that I cited.

There is also a fairly newish index, the Biographical Database of Australia some parts of it require annual subs, but other parts are free ....
Here's a link  http://www.bda-online.org.au/

As I understand it, in response to the question "Read/Write" on these lists,  "R" means read only;  "Both" means read and write and "No" or "None" means cannot read or write.  It also presumes that one cannot write unless one can firstly read. 

Cheers,  JM

[Brian Boggs]

Once again, thank you for your reply. I must confess to confusion on little Matthew McElroy aged 1 year and 6 months at 4 am on July 13th The reason for the discrepancy in the names (I said John, the Surgeon Osborne listed him in his returns as John and of course he is named Matthew in Osborne's Journal of Occurrences.
The reason I have collected my information was that I started researching the Adam Lodge passengers back in 1980. At that time no list of passengers existed as confirmed by Madgewick in "Immigration into Eastern Australia". No internet so all information was gleaned via hard slog in Tamworth and my paucity of information is there to see. A chance discovery of a passenger list at the Rocks in the Quarantine Papers in 1983 lifted a great deal of the mystery on the ship's passengers.
However, the list was not complete. Missing from the list was the names of about 160 children and 20 single females which I am still pursuing today. At present i have the names of all but about 12 of the children and am missing about the same nuumber of single girls. I have a researcher looking for the list of passengers sent to England just before the ship sailed. Keep your fingers crossed because if it is found, it will be complete

[John McElroy]

Thank you Brian (& Majm),

Without you, I would never have found out how the McElroy's got here, I was stuck on Charles !!
So I;- for the McElroy's --appreciate your tenacity !!!
I'm still unsure how you know there were girls in the "McAlroy" or "McAhoy" family list ?

Regards
The Bloodline !

[Brian Boggs]

The shipping list supplied by surgeon Alick Osborne to the Colonial Architect in 1837 I found at the Rocks in 1983 lists as follows:
Family number 37, McAlroy, Matthew. Age 30 from Tyrone. Catholic religion can both read and write, Conduct on board good and no relatives in Australia. He is a cooper. Now a rather strange entry-the two pounds deposit has not been returned to him but probably an omission of sureon as he claimed all passengers had deposit returned in Sydney.His wife Alice and three children, all females listed against her entry but no notes regarding beaviour, education etc. This list should be available but because it was not found until 1983 unlike most of the other list, it appears to have escaped the wide dissemination to other sources like the other passenger lists

[WoolleyNZ]

Just wondering if anyone has come across the name Irvine in relation to the Adam Lodge? I note that there are a number of Irwin's in the passenger list, which from what I understand is interchangeable with Irvine.

I'm looking for a Rebecca Irvine who married a John Sims in Sydney in 1848.  The form granting them permission to marry indicates she arrived on the Adam Lodge a free individual.  She would have been born around 1825.   

Many thanks for any advice.

[majm]

Are you looking at the actual form or at a transcription of the form?  ...  the long-hand script can be very much just a scribble at times, and in my view IRWIN and IRVINE can be mis-read either way.   The NSW BDM online index has the marriage as IRVINE, but I know that it was not until the 1930s that any index by surnames was available for NSW BDM staff.  The current index was originally prepared by volunteers working under natural light and coping with the fragile records back to 1787, bound up into volumes by around 1912, and subject to much thumbing through, ink bleeds, torn corners, missing pages etc since their original preparations. 

If your 1848 document says she arrived free on the Adam Lodge, then I think that if it is the Permission to Marry, that would be reliable. 

I can see John and Rebecca were married at "NL" - That would be  St Andrews, Church of England, https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Documents/early-church-codes.pdf

I can see the birth and baptism for Sarah Rebecca    daughter of John and Rebecca SIMS,  born 4 February 1849 and baptised 4 March 1849, See NSW BDM baptism record for 1849, volume 34A, line 28.  John SIMS was a stonemason.  The baptism ceremony is recorded in St Philip’s C of E, Sydney by Rev William COWPER.     

I will try to check further, but it may be some days before I have spare moments to get to my own offline resources for that decade after the ceasation of convicts to NSW and before the gold rushes ...

ADD
https://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/Pages/about-us/history-of-registry.aspx


JM