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« on: Saturday 06 September 14 19:41 BST (UK) »
My wife's late grandpa William WALLACE b.1910 Cowdenbeath use to claim he once played football for Scotland against Ireland.  He was the goalkeeper.  Could anyone help me prove, hopefully. this family tale.
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Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).

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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 06 September 14 21:14 BST (UK) »
You could try the Scottish Football Museum at
http://www.scottishfootballmuseum.org.uk/quicklinks/contact-us.html

There was a Willie Wallace but he was much younger and didn't start playing until the 1950's

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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #2 on: Friday 12 September 14 18:31 BST (UK) »
May be nothing, but there was a William Wallace who was goalkeeper for Port Glasgow Junior FC in or around 1925. Likewise, Clydebank had a goalkeeper of the name c 1922, but he wouldn't fit with a c1910 birth and indeed may be same chap as the 1925 one.

Did her grandfather ever move from Fife area?
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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #3 on: Friday 12 September 14 18:43 BST (UK) »
No he didn't.  He stayed in the Kingdom.  Is it possible that it was a Junior cap ??? 
All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).

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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #4 on: Friday 12 September 14 18:45 BST (UK) »
There was a Willie Wallace, goalkeeper at Raith Rovers in c1915 (then joined army). Could she have mixed up the generations and it be a William earlier than the 1910 one she has heard family stories about instead?
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« Reply #5 on: Friday 12 September 14 18:50 BST (UK) »
No it we definitely him.  He was born in Lochgelly in 1910.  Perhaps he actually played for a local Fife team  and the story got larger in the telling?
All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
Family names:SPINK (WRY), GOODWIN (DBY), PRATT (SCT & WRY), WILDGOOSE (DBY), STRETTON (LEI & DBY), MARTIN(ANS), NICOLL(ANS), McKENNA(TYR), STRAIN(DON), WALLACE(FIF), RAE(STI), PENMAN(STI) & CAPPIE(ELN).

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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #6 on: Friday 12 September 14 19:02 BST (UK) »
Many stories can become 'larger' over the years  ;D.

What was his occupation and was he ever in the army. Just as examples, I'm thinking if, say, he were a miner in Lochgelly, there may have been local teams made up of 'Scottish' miners and Irish' miners or similarly, if he were in the army at all, and they may have had 'Scotland v Ireland' friendlies amongst themselves.
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« Reply #7 on: Friday 12 September 14 19:05 BST (UK) »
He was a coal miner.
All information taken from my personal database compiled from original sources - Crown Copyright acknowledge as stated.
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Re: Scottish football
« Reply #8 on: Friday 12 September 14 21:28 BST (UK) »
Cowdenbeath "The Blue Brazil", try Google.

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