Release Census Early Campaign - Please read & reply !

[Willow 4873]

I have been reading this with interest. Perhaps a 75 year rule would probably be more practical.

I would love the 1911 census to be released early as it would make research easier and I might have chance of tracing some of my cousins but I can also understand what the government are saying about protecting peoples privacy but as pointed out - what privacy do we have these days!

And really - what are we going to learn from the census that will be so shocking? Granny lied about her age? GGrandad wasn't the owner of a large estate just the groom on one! Most of the addresses contained in the census probably no longer exist and if they do it is very rare that those named still live there

Maybe the best bet would be for the government to ask the people over 95 how they feel about it - after all they are the only ones whos privacy is effected

Willow x

[the happy granny]

I don't think the 1911,1921 etc. census could show me anything I didn't know about my grans and grandads.

I think the 100 year rule is pointless.
I vote for 75 years or even 50 years

Sue

[Jan Ann]

OWING TO TODAYS TRAGIC EVENTS IN LONDON - AND JOINING THE DEBATE ON PRIVACY - DO YOU THINK THAT COMPULSORY IDENTITY CARDS WILL ASSIST THE WORLD IN THE FIGHT AGAINT TERRORISM - OR DO YOU THINK ITS AN INVASION OF YOUR PRIVACY?

MY PERSONAL VIEW IS THAT IDENTITY CARDS ARE A GOOD IDEA - IF YOU HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE - YOU HAVE NOTHING TO FEAR - BUT I DO BELIEVE THEY SHOULD BE FREE OF CHARGE.

JAN

[Guy Etchells]

Most definitely they are an invasion of privacy and a total waste of time and money.
It has been proven time and time again that identity cards make absolutely no difference to terrorism.
Terrorists are not shady characters using false beards and sunglasses carrying false papers. They are in the main legally in the country they attack carrying legal identities and using their own identities.
Spain had I.D. cards but that did not prevent the Madrid bombings.

The following two quotes are from the news.telegraph website -
‘Paul Wilkinson, a terrorism expert at St Andrews University, said: "The majority of the September 11 hijackers were travelling under their own names, so they wouldn't have been picked up by an ID system."
Simon Davis, of Privacy International, said that of the 25 countries worst hit by terrorism over the last 20 years, 80 per cent had national ID card schemes and almost two thirds of terrorists operated under their real identities.’
There is only one reason for I.D. cards and that is to allow the government of the day to snoop into the private lives of the citizens of their country.
Cheers
Guy

[Boongie Pam]

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As I have stated before - your privacy is already invaded - if you live in the UK there are many sites both pay per view and free, that will list your name, address, postcode and telephone number. if this information is available, why cant we see similar information from 90 years ago?

Jan

Ahh but Jan - 2 wrongs do not make a right.

The argument for and against does become circular.  Other forms of information being available does not support the release of the census.  If there is other info available why do you need the census.

The 1911 census will be less complete, harder to transcribe, harder to index and frankly I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed on 01/01/2012 (if it is ready by then).

It's a want not a need. 

And yes I would want it but do not demand it.

Guy,

Well put.  ID cards have made didley squat difference to benefit fraud, terrorism etc in countries that have them.  So I would not accept that as a reason for instituting them.

And looking in my purse at the moment I have the following...

2   Credit cards (signed)
2   Debit cards (signed)
1   Photo driving licence (signed & addressed)
1   Blood donor (stating blood type - signed)
1   Work pass (signed/photo)
7   CRO/Library cards (all named 4 signed)

I think this sufficiently proves my identity.  Bug.gered if I'll pay for another one!

I've nothing to hide but for the cost to teh country I see nothing to gain.

Pam
 

[the happy granny]

It doesn't take 5 minutes for anyone who wants to, look any of us up.

My bank/credit cards companies have my date of birth/place of birth and my mothers maiden name and my National Insurance number is on my bank statement as my pension is paid in.

My mobile phone and internet SP has my home address too as well as my mothers maiden name (for identification purposes of course!!)

My National Health number is the entry number on my birth certificate and my driving license has my age,date of test,organ donation requirements with blood group.

My passport has my next of kin.....my husband and children...and my children's bank / mortgage accounts have my maiden name ..............and so it goes on..... ad infinitum!!!

An identity card would not make the slightest bit of difference to me.........except I wouldn't be prepared to pay for it.
They know more about us than we think!!
Anyone is welcome to look up my census details

Sue

[bwgan ceredig]

I really don't want to get involved in the in the debate about ID cards, so I'll pass on that if you don't mind.

Census returns - many good points raised, and it would be great to see them.  But, and I think someone else has already made this point, it should be the people it affects who have their say.  So if the majority of people over 75 were in favour then I can't see a problem.  And there could always be exclusions for those still alive whose details are on a census who did not want it released.  After all we have all this wonderful technology, so I suppose I am saying that subject to certain conditions I am in favour...and don't blame the civil servants they can only do what their political masters tell them!!

Regards

Julie
 

[Boongie Pam]

But Sue the census records bring all your information together, home, name, age etc

With these details all the information you list can be owned by somebody else.

To go back to the original subject of the thread...

It is very easy to get enough security details (place of birth, mother's maiden name, school) for account access so why make it easier with the release of census early.

Relatives of mine live in the same street as they lived in 50 years ago.  The call to get access to the 1951 census would jeapordise the safety of living people's bank accounts - I think that is more important than Family History.

If we choose to advertise these facts through posting recent info on ourselves on FH websites or add our primary school to freindsreunited then that is a personal choice BUT free unmoderated access? Nah can't support it.

P  

[smeghead]

Your be surprised if you know where to look on the internet what information can be found about each and every one of us. Eg credit history, markerting history what each hosehold has brought what total income etc you can even trace the where abouts of most people some of the information is totally free others you have to pay for so whats the difference about having census information early

                        Jim