Hexham - The Barron Family - Roman Catholic (part 1)

[Gregory Alexander Crozier]

...it reminds me of a quote from George Best - 'I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered'.

[johnlancelotcrozier]

Hi Greg

Yes I think the Best quote is spot on!  Apparently your Grandfather was a  SDJ!

Email me.  My first name plus surname, if you don't know my surname after almost 50 years then shame on you! So ray--------@aol.com.  Some things don't need to be so open maybe - but I love this chat site - have learnt so much!

Get in touch

Ray

[johnlancelotcrozier]

Hi Greg

Your father asks about a George Barron marriage cert.  Who is he talking about?  Obviously there is no marriage cert between him and John's mother as they were never married but there is a marriage cert between George and Eleanor Kirsop/Brewis.

Interesting that one of John Crozier's daughter's was named Ellen KIRSOP Crozier.

Terri always mentioned that Jessie Prudence Gapp/Crozier - your father's aunt - was referred to as 'poor Jessie'.  Your Uncle Billy also referred to her as 'Poor Jessie'.  Apart from both her husband and eldest son 'disappearing' in the early 1900s, Jessie Prudence supposedly had another child, Elsie Irene, born in 1914.

On the birth cert it names the father as Harper but I don't believe this child was Jessie's  - I believe it was her only daughter's baby but cannot prove it.  Elsie Irene also disappears after 1914 - was she adopted?

Later Jessie's youngest son Arthur Alexander dies in a mental institution in the '20s after being in WW1 and her only daughter hitches up with a married man and has two children by him.

Anything else you might want to ask let me know.

Ray

[jzwolensky]

Hi
Fascinating information.
My 7th ggf is David Barron, Stamfordham, 1714.
I am of the David>William 1756>William 1785>John 1825 line that immigrated to the US in 1800. Eventually ending up in Michigan. In wondering if there has been any new information on David, and ancestors/family in the Stamfordham area?
Thanks!

[Patrick B]

Hello Jzwolensky:

Most of the theories about David's origins are in the earlier posts. There is evidence that David's eldest son John Barron 1746-1819 was Land Steward at Cheeseburn Grange, the local Manor House owned by the Riddell Family - which basically means that he ran the estate. If we go back further to David, the birth entry's for his children at Stamfordham state that he resided at Grange House Farm. Today Grange House Farm is exactly where it's name suggests, at the entrance of Cheeseburn Grange. I would suggest that David occupied a position much like his son during that particular period 1740's-60's?

Take a drive to Stamfordham today and all of the old farms associated with the Barron's are still there, Grange House, Nesbitt Hill Head, Harlow Hill, Rudchester, Street Houses, Dodley, Ouston, the village is still untouched, the old houses and pubs are still there and of course St Mary's Church and churchyard.

[johnlancelotcrozier]

Hi Patrick

Hope all is well?  Long time no chat - what an awful year!

Knowing your Barron family expertise, I wonder if you can help?

I have been in contact with a Barron family ancestor on the Ancestry site. He had a grandma who he thought was the daughter of David Pearson Barron 1848-1882.  However DPB cannot be her father as she was born in 1886 some 4 years after DPB's death.  The mother was one Lottie Fuller who was 'housekeeper' to David Barron in the 1881 Census along with his son John aged 3, Lottie was his mother.

This person has since found a Birth Cert for his gran with the name of William Barron for her father.  His occupation was a Clerk.  Have you any idea which William Barron this could be?

The person has been on here - if you look back to page 6 - jonwood.

Families still amaze me!

Anyway, take care and stay safe Patrick.

Regards,

Ray

[jonwood]

Hi Patrick/Ray

Just to add to what Ray has already mentioned in his post. I have the following records for Beatrice Maud Barron. The birth certificate states William Barron as the father but Beatrice's full name on the certificate is Beatrice Maud Atkins. Now to me Atkins suggests a surname and why would you have that name there unless it relates somehow to another person/family so I think there is another party involved here and I wonder if William allowed himself to be added to certificate to maintain some decency for Charlotte (Lottie). To add further to the confusion Beatrice's 1921 marriage certificate it states that her father is John David Barron (deceased) occupation Joiner. Now is this a simple mistake which I think is unlikely or is this the "true" father if so what is the name Atkins all about? As you can see I am truly confused about this and do you think that it is possible William Barron was a made up person?

The other records I have are of Arthur Pearson Barron who like Beatrice was born (March 1883) after David Pearson Barron's death (Aug 1882) but crucially within 9 month's of DPB death so it is possible he is the true father. I also have baptism records for APB and they also state DPB as the father, so to me Arthur's parentage is understood which just leaves Beatrice as the great unknown at this point.

Jon

[Patrick B]

   Hello Jon - It seems the only certainty that everyone can agree on is that David P Barron is not the father.

   If David P Barron -joiner/cabinet maker and Lottie were living together as common-law husband and wife and John & Arthur both had their father's surname, it may be that Lottie stated that the father was William "Barron"- clerk when in fact the father may have been William "Atkins"- clerk. Maybe it was done to protect the father?

   Growing up it's possible that Beatrice had no memory of a father and "assumed" she had the same father as her two brothers? Maybe all three siblings went through life not knowing that their mother had never been married? It's possible Beatrice may not have known the name "David Pearson Barron", but knew her mother's husband was a joiner? Having been brought up with the same surname as her brothers ,upon marriage Beatrice may have submitted her brother's full-name as a cover?

Speculation. Complicated.

Best of luck to you.

[jonwood]

Hi Patrick

Thank you for replying and off the back of your speculation I decided to try the search from William Atkins angle and boom a baptism record for Beatrice Maud Atkins-Barron parents William (occupation Clerk) and Lottie, location Kensal Rise, the date is May 4th 1890 but an additional record shows a  birth date that matches my grandmother Beatrice - so the mystery is now solved!