Ann Daley murdered 24th july 1839

[asilky]

sorry its the baptism certificate with date of birth Rev Therry
silky

[asilky]

does anyone know where Iron Bark creek is
silky

[~MERLIN~]

Yes & so would you if you just searched the internet 

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a5d/

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01a5c/

[asilky]

Hi I did google it but it took me to Tamworth so I knew that was wrong
thank you for us oldies with foggy brains ... I have seen a photo of Sarah Daley which was lost in my grandmothers home but she did show me and said her mother was a Walker.That was my lead when I started .I still am not 100% sure these are my great great grandparents.You can only go by what you find and hope that its right the only hiccup now is why it has Anne Walker aged 28 Edward permission to marry Bathurst 1829 State archives when she was married .It does have it on her record .so now its a bit confusing and I will spend more time going back over my research.thanks to all that have helped in this thread.Without you I would be lost
Silky

[~MERLIN~]

thank you for us oldies with foggy brains ...

  Well, I guess you better add me to that list also as being born before WW2 ended counts 

[majm]

the only hiccup now is why it has Anne Walker aged 28 Edward permission to marry Bathurst 1829 State archives when she was married .It does have it on her record .so now its a bit confusing and I will spend more time going back over my research

Anne Walker was not just given permission to marry, but actually did marry James Fitzpatrick.

The Anne Walker ex the Edward in 1829 is noted at the NSW SRO’s index  “Applications to Marry”
James FITZPATRICK ex the A D Charles, aged 34, Life Sentence, on a Ticket of Leave
and
Anne  WALKER, ex the Edward, aged 28, 7 yrs sentence, on a Bond.  Date of Permission 21 Oct 1829, Rev’d J E Keane, Bathurst
.....
The FITZPATRICK-WALKER marriage 16 Nov 1829, Kelso or Bathurst NSW, was C of E
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCY-W3N
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTZJ-162

NSW BDM has the 1829 marriage indexed twice.     

This marriage for FITZPATRICK-WALKER was a C of E marriage; it was not a Roman Catholic marriage.     The baptism of Sarah by Rev Therry would be a Roman Catholic service.   A baptism in NSW does not mean that the birth occurred in NSW.  Yes, of course, a birth date can be recorded on a baptismal record, but does that baptism certificate actually say the place of birth, or just the date of birth and the place of baptism.

I think you will need to consider who was Sarah's father, and what happened to James Fitzpatrick.  And of course, you need to determine if the Anne DALEY who was murdered 24 July 1839 was actually Sarah's mother.    I have not yet found the name of the child witness mentioned in the newspapers.   

Cheers,  JM   (foggy brained NSW centric)

[asilky]

Hi to all
On Baptism Sarah when born 29th sept 1831 date of ceremony 29th oct 1832
father Thomas Daley Mother Anne Walker abode Derwick Grove via Maitland .
sponsors Christopher Daley and Bridget Ryan.
By Whom Revd J J Therry
I know my grandmothers family were RC.
yes I see a year between birth and baptism but Rev Therry only came once or twice a year from St Marys Sydney and baptized all and married all in one go and took his little book back to Sydney and put them in St Marys Register.
Silky

[majm]

Thanks for typing up that info.   Yes, many of the clergy of all the denominations were able to get to the outer lying districts infrequently, as they were travelling long distances, on their circuits.


Have you investigated the following two baptisms     …. perhaps a sidetrack, but it is not unusual for the nee surname of a lass transported to NSW to be the surname used on various records in NSW.
So, here’s what appears to be two baptisms, BUT in fact, in my opinion,  it was just one baptism, and the clergy were simply abiding by the general orders regarding the transmission of their records to the NSW CHAPLAINS. and the clergy recorded the surname as WALKER.   You will of course notice the given names for the recorded parents of this wee lass.

Anna F WALKER, with parents given as Thomas and Anna E,  in 1830,   (Vol 15, line 46)  so a C of E baptism,
and
Ann F WALKER, with parents given as Thomas and Ann E, in 1831   (Volume 1C, line 10515) so a C of E baptism, likely a transmitted record, perhaps a transmission of the one I have noted above, but of course you would need to consider both documents in case these are for two separate baptisms.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTCD-GLY  gives birthdate as 21 June 1830 and baptism 16 May 1831, Anna Frances Walker, with parents as Thomas and Anna Elizabeth WALKER , and I am of the opinion that NSW BDM currently has this referenced as 46/1830, (which I credit to Vol 15, line 46)
and
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTX4-JZ4  does not give birthdate, but gives baptism date 16 May 1831, and parents as Thomas and Anna Elizabeth WALKER so in my opinion, this would be the transcription for the NSW BDM entry currently referenced as 10515/1831 (which I credit to Volume 1C, line 10515, 1831)   

So perhaps you need to continue to search for further leads on your Sarah DALEY, perhaps under the surname FITZPATRICK, or under WALKER, and also remember that the NSW BDM’s Early Church Records are definitely NOT a full compliment of all the baptisms, burials or marriages for NSW before civil registration.

The NSW State Library has film of many of the Early Church Records.   The NSW BDM does NOT have the original handwritten versions, and their website confirms that. “1788 – 1855 …….. Today, our transcriptions are computer format as we don’t hold original handwritten versions of church records”  http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/bdm_fh/bdm_rec.html

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/therry-john-joseph-2722

Cheers,  JM

[asilky]

Hi the records are copied from one register to another so when it has no children on original that is right it also has Married on firth record single on second or 3rd record but all other info is correct.So down the track he has a baby .Most convict records  are copied from the original.Now that's how the mistakes were made because people doing it could barely read or write.
All my grandmothers stories correspond with what I have found also in bible.My gran knew all about Sarah told by her mother.We know they were Irish Catholics and strict ..
I will keep looking.I never close the book.
silky