Which name for Rachel wife of Robert Rennie - Quebec Canada

[suzee]

Hi J.J. Thank you so much for your assistance, information & interest in this - I'm off to work now but will need to read through thoroughly when I get home with no distractions!
Regards
Suzee

[J.J.]

A little more on Francois...
The Jeremiah runs between the dock of the rue Saint -Etienne, in Longueuil, and the Pied-du-Courant Sainte-Marie, in the early 1820s. François Deneau, nicknamed François Jérémie, of LaPrairie, is the owner. In 1820, he sold his boat to Oliver Wait, Abner Bagg and Stanley Bagg. We find him again however, in 1827 - 1828, in command of the Montreal steam boat that shuttled between Longueuil and Montreal    http://marigot.ca/Atlas/Ind_Pag/Cen_Pag/Haut_Pag/19_Pag/Tran.htm

http://digitool.library.mcgill.ca/webclient/StreamGate?folder_id=0&dvs=1409182514721~749
He is mentioned as jeremie/jeremy 4 times on page 71, &once ea page 73, 74 & 114 ( where he is twice once as geremy) So Jeremy is sometimes used as his last name

There is a land petition for a Francois Jeremy 1818 http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/lower-canada/001043-110.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=imrujfevvridogtvuc84crcrv2&q1=jerem*

Donation (June 15, 1763 ):
Donation of land situated in the Borgniesse; by Anne-Catherine Bisaillon, widow of Etienne Denau, the village of Prairie de la Magdelaine, to Jacques Denau (major) and Pinsonneau Charlotte, his wife, Marie-Françoise and Bellrose Denau (major), his wife, and Anne vanie Denau (major), his wife, Louis and Marie-Monique Drinville Denau (major), his wife, and  Jérémie Denau (major) and Josephus Brousseau, his wife, his children, and sons-in-law.   Notary: J. Lalanne (Montreal)    http://www.genealogievanier.ca/affichage_personne.php?id=56&bd=1&l=en

[J.J.]

Hippolyte Denault-Jérémie
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3ADenault-Jérémie

Oh, Dear did we conclude that Theophile and Hyppolite Jeremie were one and the same?
 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JDTK-DYK

ah, yes, that would be the father as Paul Theophile Denaut dit Geremie   

also missed 1842 Huntingdon Châteauguay -Bapt Jeremie, a joiner

and here is a Constant Denaud in 1825 Huntingdon Chateauguay
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KHJ8-LSD

A couple of pages of just Denaud Denaut to peruse....
http://www.rootschat.com/links/019p7/

[J.J.]

You can look for the actual information to prove or disprove that his fellow can be ruled out...
Francois DENEAU DETAILLY  and Marie Archange SENECAL m. Laprairie 1791

Daughter M. Archange married Jean Moyse RAYMOND (1810). Jean
Moyse married again into the LEROUX family (1815. L'Assomption)


Tried to find this fellow on census, but am not sure if I have the right person..Howerever he appears to be the father of Constant...( the fur trader, who called himself Denault Jeremy )
Pierre-Jérémie DENEAU DETAILL m.16 Oct 1775, St-Philippe, cté La Prairie, Qc, to Marie-Anne-Archange Boyer
http://gw.geneanet.org/ra41dr07?lang=en&p=pierre+jeremie&n=deneau+detailly

Constant etc 1825 in Constant.. ( also look through for more spellings in Huntingdon Chateauguay)
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1825/Pages/results.aspx?k=hunt%2A%20AND%20cnsSurname%3A%22den%2A%22&start1=11

There is this Pierre with 8 in household 1825 Huntingdon Chateauguay..I straightened out the line so you can find things easier...  Let me know if you need this done to any others that you cannot read..many are off kilter
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-11352-4110-19
Note that he never came up at all on the colections Canada site  ...but FHS site found him in the same area as Constant.

Notice a Jerome as wellbeside him...

[suzee]

Hi J.J. Once again thank you for all the leads. I have been slowly going through the data that you sent and looking at the various names in the family & comparing those with the children that Rachel and Robert had and seeing if there was any hint of who could have been linked to her family. No success yet - if she was from a Catholic family would they have opposed her marrying someone from another religion e.g Presbyterian or could she have been an orphan???. I know that their child Henry born c 1835, called one of his daughters Rachel which would have been after his mother. Looking at some of the baptisms of her children there seems to be only Robert's family or their church friends present as witnesses. I am going to contact the person who had the tree of ancestors from Laprairie that you sent me - he may have come across this family and set aside the info as not relevant to his??? this line has created so many questions???
regards
Suzee

[J.J.]

To marry outside the religion was not unheard of, but it would have caused a family upheaval if the Catholic parents were devout.
William uses Rachel ... https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XFQ4-V63
I have no idea what the Simoe is...If the mother's surname was Simon then there is another wrench in the works...She does not use a surname in any baptisms, though, so odd this has something.

I have looked around considerably for ages and cannot find a link or baptism to help solve this. I had wondered if she married as well as lived outside the area of family and so was forgotten by the family....Have you checked to see if Rachel Rennie or Denaud or Jeremie is sponsoring any baptisms
anywhere after 1820 or so...or can you search for christening godparents I have no idea how extensive the database is on the paid sites?

[J.J.]

Because they are Hemmingford  Huntingdon near the Rennie's in 1861:
 http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108707_00228.jpg
Deneault Jean B. age 62   wife Josepthe age 62    and Theopile age 20 Celestine age 24
Also a Mary Deno age 3 in Purcheron household 
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1861/jpg/4108707_00259.jpg
Not that this family is even related ...Just to show the frustration they aren't visible thus far in 1851 or 1871...
Because there is a Simon born to this Denaut couple in 1851 LaPrairie http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census52/View.jsp?id=36378&highlight=25
 

[J.J.]

The Simon above in 1852... Parents Antoine Deneau & Geneviève Roillier ..
Antoine is not easy to find...did he use more than one forename as well?

I think I already gave you this Simon June 4 1774 Laprairie, born to Etienne (Steven) with middle name of Jeremie... He also had a sister Archange... but this is a submission which, along with any tree... always needs confirming https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/33XT-Y36
Another submission: http://records.ancestry.co.uk/etienne_jeremie_deneau_records.ashx?pid=35341139
Tree: http://www.thefamilysearch.com/getperson.php?personID=I2040&tree=tree1

I found this name, perhaps may turn out to be a relative.....I think you have access to the Drouin records, I do not... " Marie Louise Rachel Danault"

[suzee]

Hi J.J. thank you for the posts with all the information contained within them - I checked on Marie Louise Rachel Denault and the entry for her is 1904 with her parents Joseph Denault and Olive Houle - the baptism occurred at St Elphege on Co Yanaska. I could not find Rachel being a witness to any of the Rennie family baptisms nor saw her name when looking around these baptisms.  The only surnames I can find for her are in the burial record and her headstone!!
Once again thank you
Suzee