Parish records fro Shoreditch area

[BumbleB]

1871 RG10/461 folio 43 page 49
6 Barton Court, St Leonards, Shoreditch
Richard Doughtfire - 50 Labourer born St Lukes
Sarah - 40 - Charwoman born Shoreditch
Annie - 4 months born Shoreditch
Harriett - 4 months born Shoreditch

I can't readily see Richard junior.

[BumbleB]

Baptisms available from Ancestry, with parents Richard and Sarah Doubtfire:

St Matthias, Bethnal Green - Mary Ann born 21/2 and baptised 8 November 1857 - 15 Read Street - Labourer
St Leonard, Shoreditch - Robert and William born 24 February 1864 (Robert the elder by 1/2 hour and in danger) baptised 4 March 1864 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St Columba, Haggerston - Sarah (pb) 7 May 1869 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St John, Hoxton - Anne and Harriet born 20 November 1870, baptised 18 December 1870 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St Saviour, Hoxton - Francis Joseph born 21 October 1874, baptised 20 November 1874 - 20 Brand Place - Labourer

[Kelly80]

Is this your family in 1861?
Class: RG 9; Piece: 244; Folio: 39; Page: 29
7 Barton Court, Shoreditch, Middlesex

Doubtfire, Richard  Head  M  30  Labourer Dust Yard  b St Lukes, Middlesex
Doubtfire, Darah  Wife  F  28  b Shoreditch
Doubtfire, Richard  Son  M  11  Labourer, Dust Yard  b Hastbury, Middlesex
Doubtfire, Mary A  Daughter  F  3  b Bethnal Green


As regards certificates: The simple fact is that you don't own the copyright!
So publishing (i.e. posting them here) is a potential breach of copyright law; unless you have the copyright-owner's permission?!

You have to have an acknowledgement of Crown Copyright

Yes this is the correct family as far as I'm aware.
I have ordered Mary Ann Doubtfire's birth certificate just to double check.

I'm sorry about the certificate photo.  I hadn't realised there were copyright issues.

[Kelly80]

Baptisms available from Ancestry, with parents Richard and Sarah Doubtfire:

St Matthias, Bethnal Green - Mary Ann born 21/2 and baptised 8 November 1857 - 15 Read Street - Labourer
St Leonard, Shoreditch - Robert and William born 24 February 1864 (Robert the elder by 1/2 hour and in danger) baptised 4 March 1864 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St Columba, Haggerston - Sarah (pb) 7 May 1869 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St John, Hoxton - Anne and Harriet born 20 November 1870, baptised 18 December 1870 - 7 Barton Court - Labourer
St Saviour, Hoxton - Francis Joseph born 21 October 1874, baptised 20 November 1874 - 20 Brand Place - Labourer

Yes this is correct.  I have all of these records.  At the moment I'm not sure if Francis belongs to the Doubtfire/Earl family or the Doubtfire/Tyler family.  I'm pretty sure all the other children are part of the family I'm looking at though because of the consistency of their address.

There is also the Richard & Sarah Tyler family who live at 17 Hoxton Street.  They married in 1866 and had children Reuben (b.1866) and Elizabeth (bap.1869).  I'm not looking into this branch of the family as I can find no direct connection so far with my ancestors.  However, it is entirely possible that this Richard may turn out to be a cousin of the Richard I'm researching.

I'm interested in Richard Doubtfire and Sarah Earl who lived predominately at 7 Barton Court.  Richard died in 1881 just after the census was taken.  Sarah continued to live with her daughter Harriet who subsequently married Thomas Cherrington.  Sarah Doubtfire (widow) lived with the Cherrington's at 6 Branch Place through the 1891 and 1901 census, and then moved with them to 5 Hutley Place on the 1911 census.  I believe Sarah died in 1914.

[Kelly80]

If it helps, this is a summary of the timeline for the family I'm researching.  What I'd like to do though is trace the parents Richard and Sarah back to their families.


1851 census living at 6 Little Norfolk Place. (Richard 27yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 21yrs b. Shoreditch, Richard 1 yr b. Shoreditch, Unnamed son 1 month b. Shoreditch)  - (household:145,piece:1534,folio:231,pg.36)
 
8 Nov 1857 – Mary A Doubtfire Baptised at St Matthews, Bethnal Green– Parents Sarah and Richard living at 15 Mead Street.
 
1861 census living at 7 Barton Court. (Richard 30yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 20yrs b. Shoreditch, Richard 11 yrs b. Shoreditch, Mary A 3 yrs b. Shoreditch) - (household:157,piece:244,folio:39,pg.29)

24th Feb 1864 - Twins Robert & William Doubtfire born.

4 March 1864 - Robert & William Doubtfire Baptised - Parents Sarah and Richard living at 7 Barton Court.

March 1864 - Robert and William die. (1864 JAN/FEB/MAR Shoreditch Vol.1c/Page.187)

7th May 1869 – Sarah Doubtfire baptised at St Columba, Haggerston - Parents Sarah and Richard living at 7 Barton Court.

20th Nov 1870 - Twins Harriet & Annie born (1870 OCT/NOV/DEC Hoxton Vol.1c/Page.170)

18th Dec 1870 - Harriet & Annie Doubtfire baptised St John, Hoxton - parents listed as Sarah & Richard of 7 Barton Court.

1873 - Annie Doubtfire dies aged 2 years (1873 JUL/AUG/SEP Vol.1c/Page.97)

1871 census at 7 Barton Court. (Richard 50yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 40yrs b. Shoreditch, Annie 4 months b. Shoreditch, Harriet 4 months b. Shoreditch) - (household:312,piece:461,folio:43,pg.49)

1881 census at 6 Branch Place. (Richard 60yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 50yrs b. Shoreditch, Harriet 10 yrs b. Shoreditch) - (ED:25,piece:399,folio:97,pg.5)

1881 - Richard Doubtfire dies - (Vol.1c/pg.83 APR/MAY/JUN 1881, Shoreditch)

1891 census at 6 Branch Place. (Sarah (widow) 38yrs??  b. Shoreditch, Harriet 20 yrs b. Shoreditch)

1st Aug 1892 - Harriet marries Thomas Cherrington, St Saviour, Hoxton.

1901 census at 6 Branch Place  (Sarah (widow) 67yrs  b. Shoreditch, Harriet Cherrington 30 yrs b. Shoreditch, Thomas Cherrington 32yrs b.Shoreditch)

1911 census at 5 Hutley Place  (Sarah (widow) 84yrs  b. Shoreditch, Harriet Cherrington 41 yrs b. Shoreditch, Thomas Cherrington 45yrs b.Shoreditch … etc)
 
1914 Sarah Doubtfire Death record - Apr/May/Jun 1915 vol.1c/pg.62 (age 81)

[KGarrad]

1861 census living at 7 Barton Court. (Richard 30yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 20yrs b. Shoreditch, Richard 11 yrs b. Shoreditch, Mary A 3 yrs b. Shoreditch) - (household:157,piece:244,folio:39,pg.29)

If you look at the original census form, Sarah is actually 28 yrs of age!
Ancestry's transcription shows 20, but it's wrong!

[rosie99]

Do you have birth certificates for any of the children other than Richard bn 1849.

[Kelly80]

Do you have birth certificates for any of the children other than Richard bn 1849.

No, only Richard's at the moment.  However, I am expecting to receive Mary A Doubtfire's in the post any time soon.

[Kelly80]

1861 census living at 7 Barton Court. (Richard 30yrs b.St Lukes, Sarah 20yrs b. Shoreditch, Richard 11 yrs b. Shoreditch, Mary A 3 yrs b. Shoreditch) - (household:157,piece:244,folio:39,pg.29)

If you look at the original census form, Sarah is actually 28 yrs of age!
Ancestry's transcription shows 20, but it's wrong!

That doesn't surprise me, her age is all over the place if you look through all the transcripted dates.  If you believe what they have transcribed then Sarah could have been born any time between 1827 and 1853!  I think it's more likely to be around 1830 - 1833.