Adoptions

[bron63]

Hi Majm
No didn't have time to follow on to Gulgong as ran out of time but will be going back in the newyear.

[davideb50]

Hi Bron63,
I have just discovered the RootsChat resource and have now registered. The 2014 chat thread re Adoptions has caught my interest.
Frances Firth (1830 - 1864) who lived in Cassilis, NSW in at least the early 1860's, is my G-G Grandmother on my Dad's side. Before he passed 10 years ago, my Dad told me a piece of verbal family history about a boundary-rider in the Cassilis district of NSW who was killed in a horse accident. That boundary-rider is said to have been Frances Firth's partner and father of her two daughters (Agnes May and Mary Ann Firth). It is thought that he may have been Indigenous (a Wiradjuri man?).
I have for a number of years been using the Ancestry.com and Family Tree Maker resources to piece together a Family Tree, with the help of my sister and a few cousins, but the boundary rider remains elusive! I have scrolled through a number of pages of the Adoptions thread but couldn't find any details that may help me to verify my family history. Do you recall seeing anything at that time that may help me to identify the boundary rider? I would be very appreciative of any assistance you could give. I have also sent this message to Majm. Thanks.

[cupoflife]

This suggest the aboriginal man was Johnny https://www.myheritage.com/names/marry_firth
Marry Anne Long (born Firth) was born in 1863, at birth place, to Johnny Aboriginal (wiradjuri Tribe and Frances Jane Firth.
Johnny was born in 1841.
Frances was born on January 29 1830.
Marry had one sister: Agnes May Baker (born Firth)
Marry passed away of cause of death in 1941, at age 78 at death place.

https://www.myheritage.com/names/agnes_baker
Agnes May Baker (born Firth) was born on month day 1861, at birth place, to Johnny Aboriginal (wiradjuri Tribe and Frances Jane Firth.
Johnny was born in 1841.
Frances was born on January 29 1830.
Agnes had one sister: Marry Anne Long (born Firth).
Agnes married William James Baker.
William was born on August 28 1861, in Braintree Essex England.
They had 5 children: Albert E Baker, William George Baker and 3 other children.
Agnes passed away on month day 1927, at age 66 at death place.

[cupoflife]

This suggest John Taylor wiradjuri tribe
http://www.mudgeehistory.com.au/lets_chat/lets_chat_pg3.html
...we have traced our bloodline back to Frances firth and have found information about john Taylor (white fellow) from tumut wiradjuri tribe he is also known to be from Wagga Wagga because of his hard work as a stockman and his cricket skills. In 1862 the year Agnes may firth was born there was an article in the Sydney morning herald 19 dec 1862, stating a known relationship between an indigenous man and a non indigenous woman from the stockman station in Wagga. john Taylor and Frances j firth were in a relationship. The documentation my mother has for Agnes May firth identifies her as aboriginal and Frances j firth as the mother, she also has documentation of john Taylor and Frances firth relationship,

[majm]

Welcome to Rootschat, Davideb,

Thank you for your post which includes the following

 

......  I have scrolled through a number of pages of the Adoptions thread but couldn't find any details that may help me to verify my family history. Do you recall seeing anything at that time that may help me to identify the boundary rider? I would be very appreciative of any assistance you could give. I have also sent this message to Majm. Thanks.

I hope you have been able to find the time to study all the posts on Bron's thread by now, as it builds a good picture of how to seek to help each other advance our own searchings.   I am not a member of Bron's extended family and it is now several years since Bron commenced this thread.  I would need to re-read and study the thread to refresh my memory of the quest to adequately respond to your question.

It is likely that Bron and Werty would receive email notifications confirming this recent activity on this thread, assuming the emails they used at the time are still actively receiving notifications from RChat.   

Fingers crossed that the quest can be advanced,

JM

[Jang]

Does anyone know if it was usual for adopted children in the 1910s to keep their original birthdate and birthplace?

Jan

[majm]

Yes     

One set of my grandparents had seventeen of their own children as well as fostering a number of others.   All the babies were raised as though their own, but kept their own surnames. 

ADD
NSW 

JM

[Jang]

Thanks, JM. Does that mean that a new birth certificate would be issued with the new parents' names?

Jan

[majm]

Adoptions commenced in NSW in December 1923.   

There are instances on NSW BDM historic births (so born more than 100 years ago) .... I give real life example, but NOT real life names

John SURNAME's birth registered in a regional NSW BDM district in 1908.   John's mum registered the birth, and the registration does not include a father's name or any details.

John was in turn fostered (via a Lodge arrangement, fairly standard procedure at that time), by my grandparents.   John's surname never altered.

When John was 14 or 15 he wanted to be apprenticed as a Baker.    My grandfather discovered the Apprentice Master needed formal proof that Grandfather could sign the trade/bond papers.   Grandfather then went to Registrar General's Office.  Reg Gen simply allocated a fresh registration number for that year and retained John's BIRTH MOTHER'S surname on that new document.  This NEW informant was named and his relationship was noted.  - So (on the later one,) my Grandfather was named as informant, and the relationship was noted as FOSTER FATHER   So there's TWO different registrations for my Uncle John at NSW BDM, but both are in his mum's surname. 

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I Have edited to try to help explain.
JM