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« Reply #297 on: Thursday 18 September 14 23:48 BST (UK) »
That's the 3 we come across a while back and dismissed it. When neil put it up it had us thinking again only year was different  being born in 1861. But then when we calculate a lot of things together it comes up born in 1861, So maybe this is her.

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« Reply #298 on: Friday 19 September 14 01:28 BST (UK) »
I was given this birth date 16 feb 1862 she was born. Our cousin lyn said she thought she had the birth cert of agnes and said she doesn't. I asked this question as I seen a old post on roots saying she had them so I don't know where the date come from now is confusing lol

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« Reply #299 on: Friday 19 September 14 02:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Bron,

Yes, I agree, it is confusing.


Perhaps you could contact Lyn and check her source for the February 1862 birthdate for Agnes FIRTH.  Perhaps at the same time you could ask her if she had previously obtained the 1861 birth certificate that Neil mentioned (or its official transcription) and perhaps set it aside, pending further checks.   

Earlier in the thread I posted electoral roll details I had found to follow up the sightings Neil had found.   So perhaps Lyn’s earlier research had previously found the same information and perhaps sit it aside.

Either way, it may be sensible to consider adding the 1861 birth certs onto a TO DO list, as perhaps this is a likely step to finding Agnes’ parents.   

I am yet to find anything that gives Agnes a middle name, and, as yet, I am unable to find anything to suggest she had an Aboriginal heritage.   Perhaps, if Agnes spent any time on building sites, supporting her bricklayer husband, that her exposed skin became well tanned.   Or perhaps any suggestion of an Aboriginal heritage comes from a more recent generation marrying into the family.

Back in August 2013, on a different thread , Judith found  the Inquest information about Agnes.  It displays her name as Agnes Emily BAKER, born Mudgee.  Lyn had asked “Could someone who has access to these records please see if there is a reference to Agnes May FIRTH 1862-1927.  She is my Great Grandmother”  Here’s the link to Judith’s reply.   (Noticing Agnes Emily rather than Agnes May)
 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=565133.msg5034152#msg5034152

Lyn replied “Thank you this is the family I am after”, so perhaps Agnes did use a middle name, but it was not “May”


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« Reply #300 on: Friday 19 September 14 04:11 BST (UK) »
Agnes Emily is Lillian may daughter ,  agnes daughter is lillian


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« Reply #301 on: Friday 19 September 14 04:19 BST (UK) »
No it isn't  lillians daughter sorry,  its her sister I just looked properly. I also looked at Judith links and weird agnes Emily baker died in 1949 born 19 Feb 1893

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« Reply #302 on: Friday 19 September 14 04:48 BST (UK) »
Agnes Emily is Lillian may daughter ,  agnes daughter is lillian
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No it isn't  lillians daughter sorry,  its her sister I just looked properly. I also looked at Judith links and weird agnes Emily baker died in 1949 born 19 Feb 1893
Bron,

There is a private tree at Ancestry that has Agnes Emily BAKER as 1893-1949, however, the NSW BDM index does NOT have a registration for that 1949 death under the name BAKER.   Perhaps the lady who died in 1949 was listed under a different surname, perhaps she a married woman, and her death was registered under her married surname.  (birth for an Agnes E BAKER, daughter of William J and Agnes BAKER, registered Leichhardt 1893 NSW BDM #19229)

Judith's info refers to Agnes Emily BAKER who died in 1927, Lyn confirmed this was the person she was seeking.   

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« Reply #303 on: Friday 19 September 14 05:06 BST (UK) »
Sydney Morning Herald Monday 30 May 1949

HAYTER, Agnes Emily, May 28, 1949 after a long illness at her residence ……. Randwick …. Daughter of the late W J BAKER …..

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/18117159

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So Agnes BAKER nee FIRTH died 1927 as Agnes Emily BAKER,  and her daughter Agnes Emily HAYTER nee BAKER died 1949 in the month of May.    Perhaps that month (May) is the origin of the belief that Agnes FIRTH had a middle name of May. 

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From the NSW BDM index
Agnes Emily HAYTER 1949 #10615 registered Randwick
Her parents GIVEN names were William James and Agnes.   
The online index does NOT provide a maiden name for Agnes Emily HAYTER. 

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« Reply #304 on: Friday 19 September 14 05:56 BST (UK) »
that death notice is definitely our agnes Emily it has a lot of our family members listed underneath

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« Reply #305 on: Friday 19 September 14 07:39 BST (UK) »
This has been followed up the Agnes MacGovern lead.
Agnes MacGovern, b 1861.
Married Alexander Mallock 1883 in Sydney.
Alexander Mallock died 1929 in Kiama.
At this stage there appears to be no link between our Agnes Firth and Agnes Mallock (nee MacGovern).