Adoptions

[Wertyperty]

Ok, thank you Cando,
I will alert Bron63 and discuss this matter with her,
Talk soon 

[bron63]

Hi Majm
How is things going?
Bron

[majm]

Hi there,

I do have a couple of questions at the moment.   Perhaps you already know the answers.

1.  How sure are you that YOUR Agnes Firth is the daughter of the lady who died at Mudgee in 1864 (Frances Jane FIRTH)
2.  You mention Agnes May FIRTH, so which official document lists her with a second name?

I am not sure when any of my rellies will be able to get to Gulgong to check any further about Mary Ann FIRTH.    So

3.  Have you considered writing a snail mail letter to St Lukes, Gulgong. 

Please do consider writing a short polite letter rather than sending an email enquiry.  And please do consider enclosing copy of the official transcription showing that you have already checked the NSW BDM holdings.

4. Do you want a suggested wording for a snail mail letter to Gulgong's Church of England?

5.  Have you checked the deceased estate/probate file records at NSW State Records Office at Kingswood for any info about either Agnes or Mary in the Walter SHERRY file held there?  There's no charge for viewing these files at Kingswood as these Archives are open to the general public. 

Cheers,  JM

[bron63]

ok the only official I have on frances daughter agnes is frances death cert and her marriage but neither has a middle name this middle name came from lyn moloney you had seen she had been asking questions on roots aswell.I questioned lyn about agnes middle name she said it was past down to her mother. I also have agnes death and no middle name on that either and an article on her death from her children.A wording for a snail mail letter to Gulgong would be nice thank you.

[majm]

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St Luke’s Anglican Church
PO Box 17,
GULGONG  NSW 2852

The St Luke's Parish Registers don't appear to have been microfilmed so you will have to write to them and as mentioned, they may charge a fee.

So it's now up to one of you to write a letter of request for details of the FIRTH/LONG marriage.

Cando

Many thanks Cando.

Bron, may I offer the following suggestion.   It is for a handwritten letter, so I am suggesting a letter, and I am not suggesting an email.   This is so the Reverend can pass your enquiry on, if he has a volunteer church member to help with his non urgent enquiries from someone who is not from within his parish. 

Cheers,  JM 

.Suggestion

St Luke’s Anglican Church
PO Box 17,
GULGONG  NSW 2852

For the kind attention of the Reverend, or one of the volunteer helpers.

Dear Reverend,

I am enclosing a recent copy of an official transcription of a marriage registration held by the NSW Births, Deaths and Marriages.  It is for a marriage conducted at St Lukes in 1881   I do not live in the district, but may I please ask you to advise me as to where I can view the parish registers that would hold the details the parties to the marriage as recorded on the original parish registers.

As you can see from the NSW BDM records, there’s quite a number of blanks in their summary holdings. I am led to believe that the original parish registers will have greater depth of details than the civil registrations from that time.  .

I am also enclosing a stamped self addressed envelope for your kind reply, so please let me know where I can make a suitable donation to cover the expenses.  Many thanks for your time. 

Yours sincerely,


(Bron63)
 

[bron63]

thank you for that majm I will send a letter to them tomorrow.

[majm]

I have been given two images from the parish register for Agnes' Marriage.

Info about Agnes from the parish register of her marriage.

Line 33 (in the parish register)
24th May 1882
St John's Church
MUDGEE
William James BAKER, Bachelor, England
and
Agnes FIRTH, Spinster, Casillis

married in the Church of St John the Baptist
According to the rites and Ceremonies of the Church of Engd

Both William James Baker and Agnes Firth gave their occupations as BRICKLAYER.

William gave his age as 21
Agnes gave her age as 21

William's usual place of residence was SYDNEY
Agnes' usual place of residence was MUDGEE

Sadly Agnes seems to have known very little about her parents.  The clergyman has recorded that Agnes' father was ................. FIRTH, a Shepherd, and her Mother's name 'is unknown'   

As Walter SHERRY was one of the witnesses, I was expecting him to have been able to give information about Agnes parentage, so I am becoming concerned about the accuracy of the oral history that Walter SHERRY was involved in the adoption of the two girls after the death of their mum....   

Attaching a jpeg

Cheers,  JM

[bron63]

Thank you for your time on this majm, It hard to find out anything.

[majm]

MACGOVERN AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON REF #13967/1861 
MCGOVERN  AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON  REF# 13967/1861
PACKER  AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON REF # 13967/1861

Neil

I am duplicating this info that Neil found.   The Wellington District that NSW BDM covered was quite an extensive district.   This Agnes was obviously the daughter of a lady named Frances.   There is just the ONE registration, but there's several indexed entries.  This can occur when there's perhaps some confusing details where the baby's father's details are usually recorded.   The index does not include the Father on this occasion.   

But, as Agnes was 21 when she married in 1882, then she may well have been born in 1861, and if so, perhaps her parents were moving from or to Casillis, and passing through Wellington.    This of course is speculation on my part and perhaps by way of eliminating this Agnes, an official transcription needs to be obtained..    (This Agnes was born 18 August 1861) 

Cheers,  JM