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« Reply #270 on: Thursday 04 September 14 07:19 BST (UK) »
Majm

I am having relax time while waiting for certificate my brain is exhausted lmao .
Thank you to everyone that has helped us up till now muchly appreciated, logging my typing down until more information.

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« Reply #271 on: Friday 05 September 14 12:03 BST (UK) »
Received the cert todays today and nothing on them different to what had. Mary marriage cert nothing.

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« Reply #272 on: Friday 05 September 14 12:09 BST (UK) »
Please type (or ask werty to type) the exact words in every column on Mary's certificate.

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« Reply #273 on: Friday 05 September 14 13:14 BST (UK) »
Registration Number 04905
Date Married 24 DEC 1881
Place Married CHURCH OF ENGLAND PARSONAGE, GULGONG
Religion CHURCH OF ENGLAND
Name JOHN LONG
Name MARY ANN FIRTH
Conjugal Status BACHELOR
Conjugal Status SPINSTER
Birthplace NOT STATED
Birthplace NOT STATED
Occupation LABOURER
Occupation NOT STATED
Age NOT STATED
Age NOT STATED
Usual Residence WALLERAWANG
Usual Residence GULGONG
Father PARENTS NOT STATED
Father PARENTS NOT STATED
Mother
Mother
Occupation - Father
Occupation - Father
Witnesses EMILIE DOBSON, MARY JUDGE
Minister JOSEPH S. DOBSON


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« Reply #274 on: Friday 05 September 14 13:15 BST (UK) »
went on bdm and cant find anything

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« Reply #275 on: Friday 05 September 14 13:20 BST (UK) »
I rang the church again today and it is going to still cost $90 each for a search on them

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« Reply #276 on: Friday 05 September 14 13:21 BST (UK) »
I went to the site for records from st john and couldnt get anything

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« Reply #277 on: Friday 05 September 14 16:54 BST (UK) »
Hi all,
Late one for me back on the search tonight, I have a theory I need assistance with as I don't know how to find this sort of information or if it's even available. I've been searching the certificates we have for clues and one thing become apparent as good possibility. Agnes's death certificate is only missing 2 bits of information and that's her occupation and mother, otherwise complete. I know occupation can be ruled out if her duties were at home. This is what I ponder, I wonder if frances doesn't appear in Agnes's certificates for personal reasons. I noticed the informant was her son Albert baker. Her fathers details are filled out as father firth, occupation boundary rider. I understand that because Agnes was Agnes Baker nee Firth then the person that filled out the death details could have just assumed that his last name was Firth. Through my research another thing comes to mind. Walter Sherry was the mayor at one stage, owned a tailor business and was treasurer of some kind. Elizabeth Amy Nelthorpes father was a business partner of Walters and father Nelthorpe wife Amy king's father from memory was a surgeon, as I've been searching the Irish firths I have noticed this family had businesses and some also had part to do with the development of the heavy haulage railway. If Frances was born Firth and if she never married is it possible that Frances was a wealthy lady from the firth Irish families and not Agnes's birth mother. Given that it appears to me she could have been surrounded by wealthy people is it possible she was treated as a servant or taken from her parents etc. It's got me wondering why the certificate could be said to be complete if she had reasons not to like Frances and Albert mentioned Agnes's father but the mother who you would think he would have known as well is not there. Am I leading myself a stray or is this a real possibility.

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« Reply #278 on: Friday 05 September 14 18:22 BST (UK) »
Another thing that comes to me referring to my last post as well is the ANZAC Aboriginal Firths Ernest and Francis Firth from Pilliga. These boys were born in the exact same years as Agnes's children in the late 1880's so it would be fair to say that their parents who were Patrick Firth and Kate Winifred macarney(mccarney), were around the same age as Agnes, I'm pretty sure this is the correct marriage bdm for the 2 boys parents, note if you look in Ernest's original army enlistment document I posted in previous posts and zoom in on mother ,Patrick was crossed out and replaced with KATE. 3062/1880, Patrick firth, Kate winninfred Maccarney (mccarney). Coonamble. The 2 boys were born in the late 1880's, this can be figured out off their war documents too. Searching back from Patrick firth I've hit the same brick wall as Agnes, Patrick firth and Agnes firth would have most likely been around the same age. Documentation that I can find on both as firth only starts at marriage, Both have last names of Irish settlers around the same areas.
What do you guys think.
If anyone's having trouble finding the links for the 2 boys the website you can find these in is mapping our Anzacs.
Thankyou wertyperty .  :)