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« Reply #306 on: Friday 19 September 14 08:07 BST (UK) »
That's good to know, Bron,   

May I please ask for the details about that Agnes' parents as per that 1883 marriage please, as I am interested in how the surname PACKER has been sorted.

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« Reply #307 on: Friday 19 September 14 08:25 BST (UK) »
Yes, I think we would need to know the certificate details of that marriage. ;D

As a matter of interest-
From 1883 to 1937 there were 5 marriages for women names Agnes McGOVERN
From 1850 to 1870 there were 2  births of females named  Agnes McGOVERN
From 1860 to 1970 there were 3 deaths of women names Agnes McGOVERN

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« Reply #308 on: Friday 19 September 14 09:20 BST (UK) »
MACGOVERN AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON REF #13967/1861 
MCGOVERN  AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON  REF# 13967/1861
PACKER  AGNES MOTHER FRANCES AT WELLINGTON REF # 13967/1861

I noticed Hugh and Frances McGOVERN had children in NSW before 1860, and their marriage recorded twice had the surname PARKER for Frances (so close to PACKER).
V1840557 90/1840  LD 
V1840204 130/1840  LD 
LD = St Mary's  RC Sydney

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« Reply #309 on: Friday 19 September 14 09:32 BST (UK) »
Thanks Essie,

I was looking at the following, which I suspect has a typo

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTD6-QBG

(Frances Mcgovern, baptised 18 July 1854, Yass/Murray, dau of Hugh McGovern and Frances Partker)

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« Reply #310 on: Friday 19 September 14 10:23 BST (UK) »
Hi Bron,

I am concerned you are perhaps becoming side-tracked, so may I gently mention it is not sensible to just look at indexes, and then eliminate a possible sighting on that index without actually confirming that a particular birth in NSW then leads to a particular marriage in NSW and then to a particular death in NSW, particularly when I mention that the NSW BDM index for marriages does not give the names of the parents of either the bride or the groom, nor the ages of the bride or groom, nor any indication if they were previously married.

And of course, there’s other flaws in the NSW BDM index, including typos, different spellings, and some registrations have not actually made it to the online index.   So we need to proceed with caution.

So, I am aware of the possibility that MALLOCK can have a number of possible spellings in the indexes and in the newspapers and in the various directories and in the electoral rolls.

Here’s some examples, where I suspect all are for the one chap, an engineer in Kent Street, Sydney back in the 1860s, 1870s and into the 1880s.    Perhaps Agnes McGovern was his second wife, helping to raise the children of the first marriage, or perhaps Agnes McGovern was not known to this particular Alexander Mallock. 

Alexander MALLOCK of 484 Kent St buries his beloved wife.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13385587   SMH 15 Dec 1876
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13386072   SMH 14 Dec 1876


Sands 1877 Directory, Sydney
Alexander MALOCH, engineer, 484 Kent St, (JM notes this is for Sydney CBD)


NSW ER 1878 WEST SYDNEY
Alexander MALLOCK, household, 484 Kent Street, Sydney


Alexander MALLOCK of 484 Kent St buries his beloved daughter
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13444448    SMH 15 October 1879


I can see a death registered in Sydney in 1886 for an Alexander MALLOCH, aged 53 years, just as I can see the death of Alexander’s daughter, Elizabeth in 1879  registered as MALLOCH, rather than Mallock, and the death of his wife in 1876, again under the spelling of MALLOCH rather than Mallock, and just as I can see the death of an Alexander G MALLOCH registered at Broken Hill in 1933.    The chap who died in 1929 at Kiama was aged 69 years, and his name was recorded as Alexander MALLOCK, but I have not yet found where Agnes MALLOCK’s death is registered.   Did she die interstate or overseas perhaps.  However, I am not holding any of those BDM certificates, and so, I am purely speculating, based on my armchair searches of Trove and the NSW BDM indexes.  And of course, that does nothing towards joining the dots between the Agnes McGovern/MacGovern/Packer born 1861 Wellington to Frances (but no father’s name showing on the index) and the 1883 marriage for an Agnes McGovern, or the 1929 death of an Alexander MALLOCK registered at Kiama.

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« Reply #311 on: Friday 19 September 14 13:08 BST (UK) »
understanding what is being said. I also found a lot of miss spelling  in some of my  searches just lucky I new where, when  was born and birth and death cert of grandmother.

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« Reply #312 on: Monday 24 November 14 22:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone, I thought id let you know I went to mudgee to do some investigating found frances head stone as being so old they said they removed and just had the stones of her and others from years ago. Also I couldn't view the records at the church as it was closed early so that was worthless to me and the main reason for me to go . But I enjoyed looking around and seeing the churches they got married at and other stuff.
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« Reply #313 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 06:02 GMT (UK) »
Thanks, Bron for letting us know.  It's really annoying when you go to a place and find you can't do/see what you went there for!  I do understand, though, that many historical/family history societies are run by volunteers who do a wonderful job.

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« Reply #314 on: Tuesday 25 November 14 07:04 GMT (UK) »
Yes,  thanks Bron for letting us know.    Did you go on to Gulgong and have you followed up on the 1881 marriage for a Mary Ann FIRTH to a John LONG?

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