Welsh Census Deciphering!

[JennyMarieGradwell]

I've finally met my match where census deciphering is concerned! This census extract is from Monmouthshire from 1881 and Richard Mahony is my Great Grandfather.

The column headings are Name, Relation to Head, Condition as to Marriage, Age last birthday, Occupation and Where Born.

I'm having particular trouble with the place names on the right and any help is much appreciated

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[CaroleW]

Hi

I'm having particular trouble with the place names on the right

Richard was b Ireland - County Cork but I can't make out whether the next word is Ireland or a district in Cork

Tredegar Monmouthshire and Dowlais Glamorgan are the other birthplaces

[brynsw19]

County Cork Ireland
Tredegar Monmouthshire
ditto
Dowlais Glamorgan
ditto
Tredegar Monmouthshire

[josey]

My opinion is that is does say Ireland after County Cork, but could we please see another scan with the whole word without its top chopped off  . And if there is another capital I on the page..

Josey

[JennyMarieGradwell]

Thank you all! And sorry, a better scan here

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[JennyMarieGradwell]

I just figured out that Mary at the bottom is Sarah's sister, as she's labelled 'sister in law' and born in the same place as Mary. I can't figure out her surname though, which is annoying as it's likely to be Mary's surname too!

Any ideas? It looks a bit like Sheehan, maybe?

Thanks!

ETA. In 1891 they have a 'John Leehan' from Wales boarding with them so I think that's what it might be (or is meant to be!)...

[josey]

Take a look at this 1871
RG10; Piece: 5323; Folio: 39; Page: 6
72 No 1 Row [back] Sirhowy
John Sheen   38 iron founder b Cork, Ireland
Elizabeth Sheen   40 b Radnorshire, Presteigne
Sarah Taylor   18 stepdaughter
Thomas Taylor   15 stepson
Ellen Taylor   10 stepdaughter
Elizabeth Sheen   4 daughter
Mary Sheen   2 daughter
all children born Monmouth, Sirhowy

and this marriage
Jun 1874 
Mahoney    Richard        Crickhowell    11b   201   
Charles    Sarah        Crickhowell    11b   201    
Nuth    Elijah        Crickhowell    11b   201    
Taylor    Sarah        Crickhowell    11b   201   

Maybe Richard Mahoney married Sarah Taylor & she was half sister to Mary Sheen.....this could be researched further. I'll have a look on freebmd & try to find [1] marriage of John Sheen to Elizabeth Taylor ca 1865 [2] marriage of an Elizabeth to a Mr Taylor ca 1850 [3] death of MrTaylor ca 1861 - 1865 & other sites for [4] baptism of Sarah Taylor ca 1853 to check father's name [5] 1861 census with ELizabeth, Sarah, Thomas Taylors & possibly Ellen just born.

Josey

[JennyMarieGradwell]

Thanks Josey I spotted this too. It's a coincidence because Richard (Sarah's husband) is also from Cork.

My heart sank when I saw there were two Sarahs on the marriage record because I wasn't sure which it was, but since they later have a John Leehan/Sheen boarding with them it is possible.

Starts to get a bit mind boggling at this stage!

ETA: I think that must be right - Mary's surname is hard to make out on this census but I think it must be Mary Sheen, sister in law. The age/DOB matches from the older census (1871) when they lived with parents John and Elizabeth Sheen, and the newer census (1881) where Mary is living with the married Richard Mahoney and Sarah Mahoney (née Taylor).

But it would be interesting to know what happened to the original Father!

Thanks again, as always everyone is really helpful

[JennyMarieGradwell]

I did a little amateur digging around the areas you suggested and came up with this.... For interest rather than anything else! My investigations are ongoing, of course

This is a lot more tricky without parish records 

[1] Search for marriage of John Sheen to Elizabeth Taylor ca 1865

I can't seem to find John Sheen & Elizabeth Taylor's marriage at all...

Sorry, we found no matches.

Search for       
Type:       Marriages       Surname:       Sheen       First name(s):       John
Start date:       Mar 1855       End date:       Dec 1870       Spouse/Mother's surname:       Taylor
Spouse's first name(s):       E


[2] Search for Possible marriages of an Elizabeth to a Mr Taylor

June 1851. John Taylor, Monmouth. (vol 26, p140)
Records on Page:
Henry Charles
Richard Davies
Eliza Evans
Esau Organ
Elizabeth Richards (vol 26 p140)
Elizabeth Rosser (vol 26 p140)
John Taylor
Mary Ann Williams




Dec 1852. William Taylor, Monmouth. (Monmouth vol11a p59)
Records on Page:   
Elizabeth Hopkins (Monmouth vol 11a p59)
William Jones
Caroline Reynolds
William Taylor
William Williams