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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 17 August 14 11:19 BST (UK) »
I have copied this from the other thread... http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=685138.81   page 10 which mentions a Janet and info found with a wife Janet, this will make it easier for woody16 to go back and read...

No idea re Janet Watson.  There are these entries on London electoral roll for a Ralph Beverley Watson

1923
18  Old Town, Wandsworth North street
Mrs Alice Stacey   Occupation qualification
Mr Ralph Beverley Watson residence qualification

1924 same address
Same people plus Mrs Alice Mantle

1930
8 Gambetta Street Battersea

Ralph ....
Janet Watson qualification through husband's occupation


Is this him though?

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The only birth I can find for a Peter J Watson c1928 is: June Q 1928 Edmonton MMN Watson which is of little help  >:(  Edmonton would fit in for a Ralph n Janet living Battersea

Surname Grieg looks Scottish to me

This could be her death:
Janet Watson @ Oswestry, Shropshire Sep Q 1981   born 19 Aug 1896   85 years

Marriage:
Janet Greig to Ralph Turnbull @ Hartlepool, Durham  Mar Q 1917
Children to the marriage above:
Now they either didn't have any children or they were born far away from Hartlepool, I cannot put their names on as they could still be living

Death for Ralph Turnbull @ Durham 1917 age 64 1917... @ South Shields age 47 1920 umh  :-\

woody16 anything on the tree info about this Ralph Turnbull ???

British Army WWI Service Records, 1914-1920
Ralph Turnbul
Birth Date:   abt 1889
Place: St Oswald's, Durham, England
Age at Enlistment: 25
Marriage Date: 7 Jan 1917
Place: West Hartlepool
Document Year:   1914
Regimental Number:   51126
Regiment Name:   Royal Engineers
Number of Images:   23
Form Title:   Short Service Attestation
Name   Relation to Soldier
Ralph Turnbull   Self (Head)
Janet Greig     Spouse

I don't have time now to look to see if this Ralph Turnbull died in WW1 maybe someone can search the commonwealth war graves, I will look in again later. If we can find a death for this Ralph Turnbull it gives a better indication to when Janet could have married Joseph, Joey, Ralph Beverley Watson OR if Ralph did die in WW1 did Janet go overseas ???

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 17 August 14 12:21 BST (UK) »
No nothing regarding Ralph turnbull. You have Janet's dates right 1896-1981. They had a son Peter Joseph born 1928, he married beryl Harper and they had 2 children who should be still living. The address I have for peter is London.

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 17 August 14 12:59 BST (UK) »
Thank you all for the warm welcome and for the hard work you have already done. We have loved seeing the photos from westwood21 and I am enjoying reading Joeys WW1 letters,fantastic! Westwood21 must be my fathers cusson!

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 17 August 14 17:39 BST (UK) »
I have now read the WW1 Service Records for Ralph Turnbull and can state that there was a request for Separation Allowance made to Janet Turnbull the wife of No:51126 Sapper R Turnbull, Royal Engineers, on account of her Immoral Conduct. Dated May 10th 1918. Another letter states address as 38 Westmorland St, West Hartlepool  13th Feb 1917.

Ralph was charged with being: absent from his post many times over, giving false number, idling at work and being absent for ? days several times, over staying his pass several times, arrested by civilian police and regimental police, stealing, obscene language..
Petty Sessional Division of Westbury, Wiltshire.. for stealing 3 bottles of Whiskey value of 12 shillings. In his defence he stated "Not guilty. I was drunk and did not know what I did" 17th June 1915.

Statement as to a Disability 23 Jan 1919 he was living at 10 Pilgrim St, West Hartlepool, 30 yrs, Sapper No:250134. Joined up at Chatham 9th Sept 1914 his medical condition then A1. All questions asked have had 1 line drawn through both sides, nothing written, added, signed or stamped.

Upon joining he was living at 15 Catherine St, West Hartlepool. Was a Superior Rivetter.
Father is John Turnbull of above address.
Wife 138 Westmorland Street, West Hartlepool.
Marriage 7th Jan 1917 West Hartlepool
No children noted
Height 5ft 6 3/4 inch, 133 lbs, chest 38 inch + 2 1/2 expansion, Complexion Fresh, Eyes Hazel, Hair Dark Brown, C of E, Tattoo SPOT base of right thumb

Another sheet he was with 258th Tunnelling Company R.E. and he was remustered to "Sapper" as Rivetter Superior 1/8d rate of Engineer Pay effect 3rd Aug 1916.
His posting to the Railway Operating Division may now be arranged by internal transfer.

Director of Railways states he has applied to be mustered as a "Rivetter" and transferred to the Railway Company, he holds indentures for 5 years as such with Messrs Gray & Co Ltd of West Hartlepool 14th July 1916.

Director of Railways states he has passed the test and will now be transferred 3rd Aug 1916.

Several other documents etc., are in this bundle but the writing is very faded.

1911 cen sees Ralph as Ralph L Turnbull 23, single, Apprentice Rivetter at Shipyard M.Gray born West Hartlepool 1888 living with parents John J Turnbull, Plater at Shipyard born East Hartlepool 1863 and Catherine Turnbull born East Hartlepool 1864 and his siblings George C, Florance E, John J, William S & Sarah J. All living at 15 Catherine St, West Hartlepool.

1901 cen sees a Ralph Luther Turnbull, 11yrs, Inmate, General Field Worker, North Eastern Reformatory, Castle Ward, Ponteland.

A possible death:
Ralph L Turnbull @ Hartlepool, Durham, Mar 1931 aged 41 years Birth date 1890

So, did Ralph and Janet divorce ??? or did they reconcile ??? did Janet remarry before marrying Joseph Watson, maybe that is why we are struggling to find a marriage for them in England ???

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.


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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 17 August 14 18:12 BST (UK) »
There is a Joseph R Watson marriage to a Janet Turnbull 1941 in Shrewsbury :-\

Janet's death was in Shropshire and there is a Joseph Watson died 1957 Shrewsbury- birth 1883.
Could this be him? Would match the initial info re a death.
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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 17 August 14 18:15 BST (UK) »
Death: Peter Joseph Watson .. November 2005 @ Richmond upon Thames, Surrey, 78 years, DOB 8th Oct 1927.

Marriage: Peter Joseph Watson & Beryl M Harper @ Liverpool, Dec Q 1957

Working from the info of the marriage there are no children born in that area, woody16 do you have the names of these 2 children, if you have can you PM them to me, don't put them on here as its not allowed.

Still cannot find the birth reg for Peter Joseph or the marriage of Joseph/Joey/Ralph to Janet between 1920-1927 unless they didn't marry until much later.

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HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 17 August 14 18:18 BST (UK) »
The mysteries continue  ::)  think I need a cuppa now

woody16 how are you related to these Watson's or have I missed something ???

b.
HALL     REEPHAM, HACKFORD, GUESTWICK, NFK
HALL     YORK, HOLME ON SPALDING MOOR, E. YKS
HALL     BELBY, Nr HOWDEN, E. YKS
HOUFE   YORK, RICCALL, THIRSK, DURHAM, LANCASHIRE
FEATHERSTONE     KNEDLINGTON, GILBERDYKE, E. YKS
CLAYTON   PATRINGTON, KEYINGHAM, STADDLETHORPE, E. YKS
CAWOOD   RAWCLIFFE, STADDLETHORPE
WALKER     HADDELSEY, EASTRINGTON, SHIPTONTHORPE, E. YKS
BEAN         STILLINGFLEET, ULLESKELF, KIRKBY WHARFE, YKS
TAYLES     LINCS.

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 17 August 14 18:22 BST (UK) »
B,

I have posted re a possible marriage.

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Re: Joseph Watson family kirkella hull
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 17 August 14 19:22 BST (UK) »
Hi heywood.

Your information is super exciting.  I don't know where you get your information but is it possible that the initial "a" was mistranscribed from the original or are you looking at the original?  I so want it to be him but I mustn't get ahead of myself.  Thanks.

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