Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.

[Dizzifish]

Hello...

Hi Sal, it was a shame the GRO couldn't find Charlotte's birth certificate, as that should mention Fanny's maiden name. (but then, why wasn't it given on Samuel's birth certificate? )

Was this the reference you gave ?  if you feel at some point you want to try again it might be worth ordering it from Lincoln registration office? 

Births Sep 1853 
BRUEN  Charlotte Glover -  Lincoln  7a 409

http://www.lincolnshire.gov.uk/residents/births-marriages-deaths-and-civil-partnerships/certificates/
" You can apply for a birth certificate over the phone, post or via our online payment system."

Now we know that Louisa died shortly after her birth in 1884 she isn't Obinia/Althenia so we can at least eliminate Louisa.

Ellen is more difficult as she was born before Robert Welsh married Elizabeth/Betsy in 1882... I wonder what surname she was registered under?

I am more puzzled as to what happened to Florence, I have tried to see if she was with other family, but one of the problems being, the family were travellers and they are not easy to track. Florence would have been 6 months and 23 days old on census night 1891, but I can't see an obvious death for her or find her on the census.


Just keep chipping away and we will see what turns up 

[Sal1525]

Hi Dizziefish.

Thank you for the information. I have spent a bit of time collating details for all of Elizabeth Merchant`s children, seemed to take forever but pleased that I now have all of the details in one place.
Today I have ordered Joseph Bruen`s birth cert; instead of Benjamin`s marriage record--I will get to it eventually ha ha; Joseph 1847 Lincoln as we know his parents were together for his christening, so hopefully we should learn of his Mother`s maiden name.

Another researcher has ordered a death cert; for Florence Welsh/Welch 1894 Chatham, Kent, age 4 which might be the Daughter of Robert & Betsy Welsh.

The Dr B` 1906 report said that Ellen Welsh was alias McCarthy. She married 3 times listing Robert Welsh as her Father-----he could well have been her step-father. When she died her birth details were 7 Feb 1879 Hammersmith, London.
Tomorrow I will return to searching for Robert senior and also adding to Elizabeth Glover Brewin but I am now bushed and off air for the evening. Thank you for your help.

[Loopyloo21]

I can can confirm that little Florence sadly died on the 24th April 1895. The address on her death certificate is given as 4, Cross Street, Chatham. Father Robert Welch, labourer, Mother Elizabeth Welch, present at her death. Cause of death - Cerebral convulsions.
This confirms that Obinia Smith was neither Louisa or Florence.

[Dizzifish]

Hello.....

Thanks for letting us know how the search for little Florence ended..... very sad.

I had seen that death registration but as we couldn't find Florence in 1891, I was thinking she belonged to another family - which goes to show you can't beat having certificates.... it was a Goldsmith family living at 4, Cross St in 1891.

So it is back to the drawing board re Obinia 

[Loopyloo21]

I did check the 1891 census for that address also.

[willsy]

Hi all

Thanks for the update too, quite a journey Betsy had in life.

Was just wondering if you could put up some details for Obinia to date, know it would help me as we have covered so much ground!

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Welcome on board Loopyloo. All I have for Obinia/Althenia is;

1901 census
2 Clover Alley, Chatham. R.G.13/727. Vessel-28. Schedule-231; Pge-34.
Obinia was enumerated as Rene/Peony Arnold? Can`t make that out properly. 13y, Daughter, Born 1888 Millwall, London.
She was living with her Mother and step-father; Elizabeth & Edwin Arnold along with her half-siblings.

1911 census,
6 Coronation Cottages, Manor Street, Old Brompton, Chatham.
Althenia Welch, Daughter, 24y, single, Laundress. Born Notting Hill, London. 1887
Living with her Mother Elizabeth, age 50 & Frederick Arthur Oliver, age 29 & half-brother Thomas Arthur Arnold. Elizabeth had parted from Edwin Arnold and claimed to have been married 9 years and had 1 child.

1906 Dr B Report.
Supposedly after parting from Robert; " The Mother next cohabited with a Hawker named Smith, by whom she had 3 children-------one of which was Obinia".
"On 26th ultimo, the Mother was released from prison after a 3 months term. During her absence, the sister Obinia looked after the other children and at the time of the enquiry the Mother was prosecuting her for disposing of her goods, but the outcome is not stated."

That is all I have for her, it would be wonderful to be able to reveal her true identity.

[willsy]

I was wondering what you made of this death

ALMENIA E SMITH
Birth year    1887
Age    78
Death quarter    4
Death year    1965
District    MAIDSTONE
County    Kent
Volume    5F
Page    610

[Sal1525]

Hi Willsy,

Wow! That looks hopeful. Well done. I am off out shortly but this evening I will see if I can match Almenia with other records and another family--if not able to do so I will order the cert; tomorrow.

Are you able to track down the death entry for Robert Welsh, senior, a moulder in Islington for me please, I am sure I have it somewhere, if we do not track him down as living elsewhere then it could be a good possibility that you found the right record.
Back later.