Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.

[Sal1525]

Hi Willsy & Dizziefish,

Today I have ordered the birth certs; for Louisa Welch 1884 Leicester, Daughter of Robert & Betsy and Charlotte Glover Brewin 1853 Lincoln Daughter of James & Fanny.

Well done to you both with the Brewin findings, you are right James snr was travelling between Leicester & Lincoln that will help in tracking down his death GRO.
Thank you for the baptism details for Samuel, I can see that you have the right record but are you able to tell me if his age was listed please?
If his Father was registered as being deceased in the baptism register then the death details found for James Bruin 13 Sep 1858 at Horncastle is in question unless the child was baptised later than his year of birth-----I could have the wrong birth GRO which I will recheck next?
B/GRO-Samuel Brewin JFM 1884 Caistor, Lincs Vol-7A Pge-466
Unless James was not deceased at all and he and Fanny had just parted company?

None of the downloads of `fishery & sea` deaths that I viewed in Grimsby apply to James Brewin and for more detailed records one has to contact the relevant archive centres & libraries etc.. another task for that `rainy day`.

Ooh, another child with you finding Joseph and the poor mite died how sad. Good work. That occupation of Scissor Grinder keeps popping up doesn`t it, passed on through the family one imagines.
Have either of you come across a baptism record for James & Fanny`s Daughter Eleanor/Ellen?

Ok, I am just off to search for more records for Fanny & James children---aided with your findings for Samuel & Ellen. Back later.

[willsy]

Think I must have got Benjamin all wrong, do remember spending an age online looking for the marriage, apologies!

I was wondering about the baptism for Fanny, remember only finding James baptism in Leicester at the time and checking Kilbride and Murphy in case. No age for Samuel I'm afraid.

Really pleased that the certificates have been the right ones too

[Sal1525]

Hi Willsy,

The marriage for Benjamin may yet be proved to be correct and if not for him then another close family member-that name Glover keeps standing out and quite common with this family.
I wonder what was so important or endearing for the family members to want to keep using the name, passing it on to their offspring?

I have just been through all the available records for James G Brewin senior at ancestry and coming up with very little, same death details that you are finding. I need to crosscheck with other websites to see if they have anything new for him.
I was unlucky with his Daughter Ellen in trying to find her B/GRO but again I will check out other websites for her also.

Joseph Bruen B/GRO-JFM 1847 Lincoln Vol-14 Pge-491
D/GRO-JFM 1847 Lincoln Vol-14 Pge-392.

Just moving on to Samuel now.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Sal...

I have looked for Ellen Brewen (& variants) at the moment I am thinking maybe her birth wasn't registered.

I will leave the marriage for Benjamin & Salome for now but I reckon I have found Salome's burial record at Luddington St Oswald, Lincolnshire in Aug 1869 - aged 39.

Deaths Sep 1869   
Brewen  Salome   - aged 37 - Goole  9c 375

[Sal1525]

Hi Dizziefish,

You could be right about Ellen`s birth not being registered at all but I will follow up with another search tomorrow just to double check and if no luck then move on with Samuel---as James & Fanny moved about a bit perhaps the event was registered somewhere between Leicester and Lincoln?

Dizziefish those are good results that you have found for Salome and Lincolnshire certainly ties in with this family. Crikey she was young when she died. As we extend our searches across the Brewin clan we may yet find another Benjamin Brewin to add to the mix that may have been associated with Salome. Salome sounds French or Italian to me?
Anyway, I am off for the rest of this evening but will be back tomorrow.

[Dizzifish]

Burial for Fanny Bruin.... same address as daughter Ellen is living at in 1871 - mentioned in reply #106

28th Sept 1870 - Fanny BRUIN - aged 47 - St Mary & St James, Great Grimsby,  Lincolnshire. (P/R's = White Hall Yard, Grimsby)

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Dizziefish great work in finding the burial record for Fanny Bruin and yes you are right -she died at the same abode as Daughter Ellen in 1871c. So young, I`ll track down her death GRO.

Salome Smith
Thank you for the burial record for Salome Smith, how awful for the poor woman to have died of smallpox and end her days in a cattle shed, I wonder if that was because she was destitute or some form of quarantine, owned by Mrs West------related to James`s Wife Louisa?
A gypsy, well that would certainly fit in with the lifestyle of Benjamin Brewin senior travelling to and fro, a fair chance that she may have married his Son, we need the marriage GRO in order to obtain this cert; then we will know for sure where her Benjamin came from/family.

Samuel Brewin
I am not sure that was him in the 1871 census in Hull, Yorkshire as the place of birth was for Leicester, there were a couple of other Samuel Brewin`s born about 1860 Leicester so could be one of them, Fanny`s Son was born in Lincolnshire but I will keep the details to one side for the time being.

I think this Samuel married Mary Eliza Finn 1884 St Andrew, Grimsby.
GRO-1884 JFM Caistor, Lincs; Vol-7A Pge-869

Now I know the marriage entry states that Samuel`s Father was Benjamin Brewin but if you have found the correct death record for James Glover Brewin`s burial, along with Daughter Mary, 13 Sep 1858 it is quite possible that Fanny had a relationship with a Benjamin Brewin hence Samuel`s birth.
Being a married woman & a widow she christened Samuel with her Husbands name James Brewin? I have ordered Samuel`s birth cert; today to see if that yields any further clues as to who his real Father was.

If the right Samuel marrying Mary then he died in the North sea 1 Jan 1885 according to other tree members at ancestry. I have sent a pm to one for further details, if possible.

Great Britain Deaths & Burials, 1778-1988
Death; S. Brewin 1 Jan 1885 at sea, Great Britain. Age 24.
Occupation; 2nd Hand, Merchant Marine.
Source; familysearch.org
Indexing project no-B01719-4.  GS film no-1483317

I am again trawling through newspapers etc.. to try and find out about his death, boat accident whilst keeping an eye out for anything related to James Glover Brewin?; maybe the ancestry member can shed more light on this event.

His Sister Charlotte may have died; AMJ 1860 Lincoln Vol-7A Pge-295.
I will move on with Sister Ellen next.

[Dizzifish]

Hi Sal,

I can't see a burial for Charlotte at Lincoln St Botolph or Horncastle but will try elsewhere.

There is a newspaper report on her death - Lincolnshire Chronicle 1st June 1860

[Sal1525]

Hi Dizziefish,

Thank you.
I have just finished reading about her death in the newspaper, looks like being the right Charlotte. her Mother a widow coinciding with Fanny`s details for that time period. We will know more when Samuel`s birth cert; arrives as to whether James was recorded as being deceased, if the nominated father, and where she was living then.
The poor woman looks to have lost 3 kids and a Husband, fortunately she would not have been around for Samuel's death in 1885.
I am off for some well earned sleep, catch you later.