Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.

[willsy]

from page 3 on thread

St Margaret's Leicester baptism
BRUIN   JAMES   JAMES  GLOVER & FANNY   1856   30-Jan

He seems to go between Leicester and Lincs

Baptism of dau Charlotte 
James Occ grinder 10 Sparrow Lane

Charlotte Brewin
Gender:    Female
Christening Date:    10 Jul 1853
Christening Place:    St. Swithin's, Lincoln, Lincoln, England
Birth Date:    26 Jun 1853
Father's Name:    James Glover Brewin
Mother's Name:    Fanny

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Just to let you know that I have been following your posts and that I am currently searching for records for James Glover Brewin, getting familiar with the extended Brewins as they are new to me.
James & Fanny had the following children; James; Charlotte; Eleanor & Samuel.
Looks like James senior died by year 1860.

Eleanor married John Smith Deans.
29 Sep 1873 at Great Grimsby, St James, Lincoln.
Fathers; James Brewin & Richard Deans.

James Glover Brewin jnr married Louisa Jack.
1879 St Andrews, Great Grimsby, Lincoln.
Fathers; James Glover Brewin & William Jack.

That's about it for this evening as I have much more to chase up for this family.

[Sal1525]

Hi,

I have found Fanny Brewin in the 1861 census, age 37, charwoman, widow, with her children Eleanor & James & Samuel. Plus, her Niece Ellen West age 5 born 1856 Lincoln--her parents would be James`s Sister Sarah & William.
I have been looking, but yet to find, a marriage entry for Fanny & James or one for her marrying someone else after the 1861 census, I`ll keep digging. So far I have not been able to pin down James death record but will try again shortly.

Son James Glover Brewin.
Born JFM 1856 Leicester Vol-7A Pge-165. Baptised 30 Jan 1856 St Margaret's, Leicester.
He married Louisa Jack 1879 Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire.

1871 census-- James was on a fishing vessel-Columbia as a Boy, age 16, single. Based in Lincolnshire.

1881 census--He and Louisa lived at Trinity Square, Great Grimsby, Lincs. No kids, both age 25. Louisa born Hull, Yorkshire 1856. James a fisherman. Vessel-28. Piece-3272. Pge-11.

1891 census-James & Louisa, both age 35, no kids, lived at 38 Wellington Street, Great Grimsby, Lincs. Fisherman. R.G.12/2614.  Vessel 17. Folio-118.

1901 census--Louisa Brewin, age 45, born 1856 Hull, stated that she was married to James, Inmate in the Grimsby Union Workhouse. Piece-3096. Folio-151. Schedule-1.

1911 census---Louisa Brewin, age 56, widow, Housekeeper, born 1855 Hull, was living in residence with Charles Nathaniel White, 49y, Head, Labourer, widow born 1862 Grimsby.
Plus, Nephew George Henry Green age 20 born 1891 Hull. Vessel 12. Piece-19958. Class RG14.

Louisa Jack
Born; 1 Oct 1855 at 9 Mason Street, Hull, Yorkshire.
Parents; William Jack & Frances Charlotte Ball.

They lived 1861 at Livery stables, Sculcoates, Yorkshire. RG9/3581.
1871 at Providence Place, Hull, Yorkshire. RG10/4784. Mother a widow and a Harpist, not seen that one before. More Yorkshire connections.

Louisa married Charles Nathaniel White 17 Aug 1919 St Andrew, Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire.
She died Louisa White 1935 in Grimsby. Charles 1947 Grimsby.
Charles first wife was Rose Mary Winn.

I will search for the missing data and James & Fanny`s other children.

[willsy]

NBI has a death of a James Bruin age 32 St Mary Horncastle, PR's as Foundry Street with death of Mary Bruin, same address, infant same day, 13 Sep 1858 Horncastle.

Just found a short line in the paper announcing the deaths and Mary was his daughter surname as Bruin.

[willsy]

Have found Mary's baptism Horncastle 9th September 1858, James father, no mother Foundry Street, tinman!

[willsy]

Samuel's baptism

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N1SD-JMK

In the register it states father deceased

Eleanor marriage to John Smith Deans

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NF31-V44

Eleanor 1871

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VB8J-7SV

[Sal1525]

Hi Willsy,

Thank you that James death looks promising do you have the death GRO for him please?
Ellen, great, I will chase her up after James & family. I will review the kids of James & Ellen and order a birth cert; for one of them so that we can learn the Mothers maiden name.

I have spent the past hour trawling the web for Grimsby shipping disasters etc.. tons of them, the poor men, I think Louisa`s Husband being a fisherman might have died at sea? If so it may explain why Louisa, in the 1901 census was in the Workhouse, she stated that she was the Wife of James, not a widow--so he was elsewhere or she was hoping for his return----missing, prison, what do you reckon? I`ve got lots of downloads to go through shortly.

Good news time, the certs have arrived

Florence Columbius Murphy.

Born; 23 Nov 1872 Rose Mary Lane, Huddersfield, County of York.
Father Martin Murphy a Mariner. Mother Ellen Murphy nee McGregor.
Registered; 29/11/1872 Martin Murphy. Registrar Johnathon Brook.
Certainly the correct record, well done everyone. Another name change for Ellen.

Florence Welch

Born 13 Sep 1890. Address 155 Brook, Chatham, Kent.
Father Robert Welch a Hawker. Mother Elizabeth Welch nee Marchant.
Registered 9 Oct 1890 Elizabeth. Registrar J. Whitehead.

Christened; 23 Sep 1890 St Mary`s Church. Address 155 Brook, Chatham, Kent.
Parents; Elizabeth & Robert Welsh, he a Labourer.

Unbelievable!! Fantastic!!
I had viewed both records a couple of times in the past and pushed them to one side as Robert may or may not have passed away and then Elizabeth had gone on to set up home with Thomas Brown etc.. but not until Dizziefish brought them both up again with the 1891 census address did I decide to take the plunge and order the cert; so pleased that I did.

Robert Welsh did not die before 1890 and he and Elizabeth both ended up in Chatham, Kent together as a couple.

Either Elizabeth & Robert`s Daughter Louisa born 1884 in Leicester or Daughter Florence born 1890 Chatham became Obinia/Althenia who ended up living with Mother Elizabeth in the 1901 & 1911 censuses in Chatham with a new identity, which one is yet to be proven but the findings in this thread is bringing the possibility of resolving this matter closer.
And Daughter Ellen stating that Robert was a Hawker on her marriage records was correct. This result is leading me to believe that there was no Mr Smith involved in Elizabeth`s life at all, the alledged Father of a couple more children because she was still with Robert.

Query=where was Robert & Louisa & Florence in the 1891 censuses?

Thank you Dizziefish & Willsy.

[Dizzifish]

Well,  that was a surprise! and another name - McGregor, I wonder where that came from?

I am really pleased that the Florence Welch certificate was the correct one! so many names, twists and turns and I feel sure you have more to discover 

A few finds re James & Fanny's family....

Baptism - St Botolph, Lincoln - 22nd Feb 1847
Joseph, son of James & Frances BREWEN - abode, Old Factory - Scissor Grinder.

Burial - St Botolph, Lincoln - 4th March 1847
Joseph BREWEN - abode Factory Passage - aged 9 days.

It looks like Samuel is in Hull in 1871
1871 - RG10; Piece: 4785; Folio: 96; Page: 32 - Ragged School, Sculcoates, Hull

I had also seen the 1871 for Ellen - interesting occupation.
1871 - RG10 / 3412 /Folio 95 /Page10 - White Hall Yd, King Edward Street, Grimsby, Lincolnshire.

Will mention this find which I think may be related to Benjamin Brewen.. brother of Ellen (Glover Brewin/ Barnes/Marchant etc) but needs more investigation as there isn't a marriage original anywhere online to check....

Marriage St Paul in the Bail, Lincoln - 25th Dec  1850   
Benjamin Glover BREWEN & Salome SMITH
Fathers - Glover & William

On the 1851 census it does appear to say Benjamin is married? - (HO107 Piece 2089 /Folio 296 /Page13)  but they never appear together. Benjamin spent his life with Susannah Mattock, maybe that's why they never married?

[willsy]

I think Benjamin and Salome are on a census and Benjamin and Sarah at the same time, looked after you found Benjamin early on if I remember right.

Have got a ref for the marriage and his father is named as Glover.