Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Whilst looking for more details about Louisa Dixon Barnes and not getting too far, including her middle name, I dropped the Dixon and found too many same named people in the marriage, censuses & death indexes for Louisa Barnes & Louisa Murphy`s for me to sort through at this moment in time, get back to it later.

I decided to widen the search for Louisa via her extended family on her Mother`s side in the hope that she may have been living local to one of them which for the time being it would appear that she was not.
My extended search began with her Grandmother Eleanor aka Ellen who I suspected was born a Gregory, as she was enumerated as such in the 1851 & 1861 censuses, and found the following marriage which I believe to be the right one, would you agree?

Eleanor Gregory married Thomas Glover
4 May 1812 at All Saints, Loughborough, Leicester.
Source; ancestry.co.uk

She married Benjamin Brewin legitimately on the 16 Sep 1822 at Sulcoates with the name Eleanor Glover. She must have been widowed. Lots of Thomas Glover`s to sift through and no marriage record found for her, yet, to Joseph Dixon.

1851 & 1861 & 1871 censuses Eleanor stated that she was born about 1794-1801 in Ely or Isle of Ely, Cambridgeshire I have conducted a general search for her at ancestry and familyseach.org but have come up with nothing yet so I have posted a message for a look-up on the Cambridgeshire boards here at Rootschat and hopefully one of those fine people might be able to come up trumps for us to be able to extend Eleanor`s family.

Another piece of the jigsaw coming together, all good stuff.

[willsy]

Has witness as William Roadley for marriage to Thomas Glover

[willsy]

Will pm you, found something I haven't had time to check

[Dizzifish]

Oh wow.... that's the problem when you only have a transcription, so looks like Eleanor/ Ellen was born Gregory? weird that some of the children use a middle name of Glover.... you would have thought it would be Gregory?

I hope the certificate is the correct one for Florence Welsh, I am sure the baptism is Elizabeth & Robert's daughter, just hope she was registered in Medway.

I have a little bit re Amelia Brown who is on the 1891 census with Elizabeth Welsh in Chatham.
I won't post it yet as it looks like there is a lot going on at the moment. 

[Sal1525]

Hi Dizziefish & Willsy,

I am positively buzzing with excitement with all of the new results that keep filtering through, great stuff, can`t wait to look for some more information.

Yes I thought it was a bit odd to have some of the Brewin children's` middle name as Glover and not Gregory.

Florence Welsh born 1890 in Medway don`t be too concerned if not the right record as we need to be able to prove its validity one way or the other. Ordering the cert; was something that I had considered previously, better now than not at all. The baptism record is looking promising but we need a search for this Florence to see what become of her, I will search for her some time in the week.

The marriage entry at ancestry listed no witnesses, how did you find out about William Roadley Willsy-good work? Just a pity the Fathers were not listed as that would have helped a great deal.

Thank you both for your personal messages which I shall respond to tomorrow.

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Just a quickie before I shoot off to work. The certificate has arrived;

Birth of Louisa Dixon Barnes. 31 May 1865. Address; 13 Wood Street, Leicester.

Father; Thomas Barnes a Licensed Hawker.

Mother; Ellen Barnes formerly DIXON
Registered by Ellen Barnes on the 13 June 1865.

Wow!! I do not believe that Thomas was her Father. My belief is that John Merchant/Marchant was Louisa`s real Father.
Louisa was conceived about Sep 1864, Thomas married Emma Taylor Nov 1864 & John had gone to prison in Sep 1864, unless Ellen went back to Thomas briefly, which I doubt that she did?
In the March of 1865 Ellen had rechristened Betsy & John with the surname of Barnes-------after the well publicised Trial for bigamy so I would have to say that she has followed through with the name change for Louisa.
Dixon the `step-fathers` name instead of Brewin. What do you think?

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Suzard over at the Cambridgeshire boards has found Ellen Gregory`s death GRO entry.
We are still no further with finding her baptism record at the moment but the volunteers have been most helpful and I am learning more about Cambridgeshire. One suggestion is that maybe Eleanor came from Wisbech which later became part of Ely but I`ll have to wait and see what turns up.

Ellen Brewin; OND qtr. 1873 Leicester Vol-7A Pge-105. Age 62.
Burial; 13 Oct 1873 at Welford Road Cemetery. Address-62 Lower Royal East Street.

I agree with their points that the person who was the informant for her death either did not know her age or may have even had her door number mixed up with her age.
According to all of the censuses that she appeared in her birth year, on average, was somewhere between 1794-1801.
She died with the name Brewin, being her married name, so definitely did not marry Joseph Dixon.
Joseph was buried 12 Aug 1873 same details. I will now chase up his death GRO.

[Sal1525]

Hi,

I have found the death GRO for Joseph Dixon on the familysearch.org website, having gotten nowhere at ancestry, and it would appear that yet again the person who has registered his death, as with his partner Ellen, has given the wrong age--62.
I think Bedforshire-boy on the Cambridgeshire boards is correct in saying that they have been registered with their house number (or someone has guessed the age)
Address for Joseph & Ellen; 62 Lower Royal East Street, Leicester.

Death GRO/-Joseph Dixon; JAS qtr. 1873 Leicester Vol-7A Pge-103. Age 62.
This ties in with the burial record found 12 Aug 1873 at Welford Road Cemetery.

In the 1851 & 1861 & 1871 censuses Joseph was consistent with his P.O.B being Essex and the 1861, 1871 reveal that he was born at Whalley Camp with a birth year of 1794/5 making him about 78 when he died. I believe that the enumerator misspelt/misheard his birth place--Whalley.

There is a place named Whalley in Lancashire but as he persisted with Essex I checked and there is no place called Whalley Camp.
However, there is a place called Great Warley in Essex a suburb of Brentwood. The chapel was next door to the Warley Barracks, Army.
The only baptism that I was able to find in this area for Joseph was the following which I think is our Joseph with a surname spelling variation, what do you think?

Christened; Joseph Dickson May 1795 at Great Warley, Essex. Parents--Moses & Ann.

A good possibility here that his Father was a soldier and maybe moved to Lancashire or Leicester with the Army. I will see what I can find with another search.

[Sal1525]

Hi,

Following on from my searches with the last post I have found a marriage record, whom I believe, were the parents of Joseph Dixon/Dickson;

Moses Dickson, age 22, married Anne Shucksmith.
22 Nov 1787 at Killingholme, Lincolnshire.

That`s it today, catch up with you all soon.