Marriage look up Merchant to Brewin.

[Sal1525]

Hi Dizziefish & Willsy,

Oh My God-this is all fantastic, welcoming news to me. You two are brilliant. I have to shoot off to work now but shall follow up all this great info` tomorrow. Well done.

[willsy]

Robert's denomination on the military records are Roman Catholic so had a look at Non Conformist Baptisms

Bap 21-Oct   1884   Welsh Louisa   
Born 12-Oct   1884      
Parents Robert   Elizabeth   Murphy Leicester      
Leicester, St. Patrick   Roman Catholic

Was the death the right one for Robert that was mentioned on the Robert thread?

[Dizzifish]

As there doesn't seem to be a birth in Belper registration district and on the 1881 census Robert gives his birthplace as Leeds ; his marriage certificate his father is Matthew?.

 I thought I would mention this......but, still no wiser, as I can't see a birth registration in Leeds either or find them in 1871.

Baptism - St Peter's Church, Leeds.
Born 22 May 1863 - baptised 28th May 1863
Robert son of Matthew & Jane WELCH - abode York St, occupation Labourer.

[willsy]

Oooh, I'd just found that

[willsy]

Found a baptism in Chester

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F34X-5ZK

Alfredus Kilbride
Event Type:    Baptism
Event Date:    21 Jun 1891
Event Place:    St. Werburgh's, Chester, Cheshire, England
Gender:    Male
Father's Name:    Josephi Kilbride
Mother's Name:    Florentiae Murphy Kilbride

[Dizzifish]

Hi Willsy.....

I have just seen your latest post, the original record is on F m p .... St Werbergh, Chester is Roman Catholic, it also says his birth date of 17th April 1891. Census night was 5th April 1891.

Florence is a visitor in Bowling, Bradford with Benjamin & Elizabeth Hunt... I think I looked at them previously but couldn't see a connection.

Maybe this is Alfred' birth registration.

Births Jun 1891   
Kilbride  Alfred -  Bradford, Y.  9b 45

[Sal1525]

Hi Willsy & Dizziefish,

You 2 have blown me away with your findings on this thread, great stuff.
Before I can begin to chase up the findings for Robert I will address Florence following on with Willsy`s results.

Good work finding the passenger list Willsy. Elizabeth aka Ellen had 11 children with Alfred Purches including the one that you have found-Patricia.

Alfredus, excellent, someone has him in their ancestry tree as-Alfred-`Nunkie` Kilbride, dying 16 Jul 1951 but no death place and very little details for his Mother Florence.

Florence Murphy School; London, England, School Admissions & Discharges, 1840-1911;

Florence Murphy age 11. Born 23 Nov 1872. Father Martin Murphy.
St. Clement`s Road School. Borough; Kensington & Chelsea. Entry no-853.
Admission date; 16 Jun 1884.
Address; 44 St Clements Road.
Last School was St. Francis. RC, Public Elementary School.
Ref no; LCC/EO/DIV01/STCL2/AD/004

Florence was not in the 1891 census with her parents but this record does show that she also lived in London, it is possible that she may have met Joseph Patrick whilst living in London up to 1891.
Ellen & Martin Murphy were living in this area 1884-1891, at least, but the school record further supports your finding the right 1891 census.

I did not find a school record for Frederick with Father`s name Martin but did find a Fred Murphy, age 7, born 11 Jul 1874, going to the same school-Father Michael Murphy with a Michael Murphy living on his own in St Katherine`s Road-1891. Not sure if that was relevant or not but thought I`d post the detail all the same.

St Clement Road was in the Notting Dale area of Kensington. St Clement parish, Notting Hill which may prove to be relevant to Betsy with her `supposedly` having had children in the area and in the same time frame when her parents were living in this area.
Need to catch up with some sleep but will check out the wonderful results for Betsy, Robert---and Louise-ooh so exciting-was Louise the girl that renamed herself Obinia/Althenia?

[willsy]

You could request the Chester one

https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Photoduplication_Services

forgot to mention it last night

[Sal1525]

Hello Dizziefish & Willsy,

This is all quite extraordinary reading your posts about Robert Welsh with myself and a couple of other people not having been able to track his journey before now, going round in circles. I thought that Betsy`s Mother was a Murphy or McCarthy but the birth cert; posted by Rab has blown those myths out of the way and opened up this search in the most positive ways possible.
The time and effort that you are putting into this search is not lost on me, thank you very much.

Well done dizziefish finding the military records. I believe you have found the correct record for Robert with the 1881 enlistment----abode 19 Walkers Lane, Derby.

I have chased up and found the Nottingham Militia records for a Robert Walsh born 1871 Mansfield, Nottingham at FindMyPast---and then again at ancestry and it is not the right Robert Welsh. No harm in being able to eliminate him though.

27 Sep 1889-Robert Walsh, age 18, from Mansfield had brown/hazel eyes and a scar on his left shin. Born 1871.
He served in the 4th Battalion Derby Regiment. Military no-4046. Abode; 4 Farrows Yard, Stockwell Gate, Mansfield. (FMPast.)
28 Jan 1881-- Robert Welch, age 19, had no scars and blue eyes. Born 1862. Abode; 19 Walkers Lane. Derby Militia. I think his military number was 1238 but I will recheck that.

Ancestry-Robert Walsh born 1871 St Peter`s, Mansfield 1889 also a Labourer. 4 Farrance Yard, as above.
Served in India & Malta. Father Robert Welsh. The 1871 & 1881 census returns in Mansfield have Robert living with his parents Ann & Robert & siblings.

I will follow on with more about Robert Welsh who married Betsy Merchant.