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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #9 on: Friday 08 August 14 11:41 BST (UK) »
Hi there,
Thanks for your help with this.
I have attached his death certificate where it states his occupation as a sugar factory labourer and the certificate also states his cause of death and his home address at the time.
It’s odd that no books/records mention fatalities when I have conducted a simple Google search and located the attached document – granted this is not an official document but surely there must be an element of truth to this?
I’m also sure i have also come across a photograph of a headstone which was erected commemorating the deceased of the explosion.
No i have not followed up on the names you have suggested but thanks for the suggestion – much appreciated.
Thanks again
Marcus

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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #10 on: Friday 08 August 14 12:05 BST (UK) »
Yes, of course there was serious loss of life, however the books do not record any losses of refinery employees.
Thank you for the list ... I'll check it against my database.

(No death cert attached  :) )
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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #11 on: Friday 08 August 14 12:30 BST (UK) »
Could Holman (or various spellings)  have been either a German or Jewish name, which was anglicised to Holland? Do you know where his family originated?
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #12 on: Friday 08 August 14 13:04 BST (UK) »
Sorry re-attached the death cert.
Oh I see what you are saying – Holman could be the equivalent to Holland but from foreign shores.
I literally know nothing about James’ roots however could be Jewish or German -
I am hoping when i know what correct surname to order via GRO this could shed some light on the matter.
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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #13 on: Friday 08 August 14 13:10 BST (UK) »
Families with German sounding names (like our Royals!) anglicised them in WW1 to avoid anti-german sentiment.

Many Jewish immigrants also anglicised their surnames.

In either case I think people used to choose a name which sounded English whilst at the same time not sounding too far removed from their original name, so Holman could easily have = Holland.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #14 on: Friday 08 August 14 13:27 BST (UK) »
For some unknown reason the death cert wont open where did he die although it says Romford district up to 1939 this district covered up to Barking

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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #15 on: Friday 08 August 14 13:37 BST (UK) »
For some unknown reason the death cert wont open where did he die although it says Romford district up to 1939 this district covered up to Barking


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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #16 on: Friday 08 August 14 13:58 BST (UK) »
When and where he died
17th Nov 1918
1 Hunter Road

Name and surname
James Holman otherwise Holland

Age
37 years

Occupation
Sugar Factory Labourer

Cause of death
1)influenza
2)pneumonia

E.Holman Present at the

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Re: Advice needed with name mystery
« Reply #17 on: Friday 08 August 14 14:22 BST (UK) »
Yes Stanmapstone that's what I got, thanks ClementsM I live in the area and was trying to find out where he is buried to see if there  was a headstone that could throw some light in the problem