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Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« on: Wednesday 06 August 14 20:18 BST (UK) »
I would first like to say that, I think that I am a descendant of  this family as my great grandmother was a  (( Kantymir )) which i asume is just a different spelling of the original,  I could be completely wrong but maybe someone on these forums could help me out with  making the connection, basically there is a 134 years  lost that i can not connect the dots sorta speak to relate  my family line to the last Cantemir  Prince that ruled in Moldova. Here is a lengthy little piece  I wrote as to why i think my family is related.

The reason i wrote it the way it is was because I shared it with my other Kantymir relatives sorta as a family history lesson  which i think is legit. Just as a extra note so far the different sellings of the  name is  Cantemir // Kantemir // Ketemer // Kantymir

I would like to give a little family history lesson , Our Kantymir ancestors are our not so distant ancestors from Ukraine. But our kantymir blood line goes farther back then some of you might know, with very interesting information, that I have learned thanks to Jeanine Lebsack, Now i was also told that there was 100 years or so of family information lost do to that i don't know but i have a strong feeling this information is true or could be true. As we have recently learned there is a different spelling of our last name Kantemir / Ketemer / and ours Kantymir in history there is also another spelling called Cantemir which originates from Moldova which is a Romanian speaking coutry, the name Cantemir comes from Khan Temir who was a powerful khan of the Budjak Nogais (Budzhak Horde); around 1603. The family Cantemir were Royal's of Moldova back in the late 1600s to early 1700s, Constantin Cantemir sons Antioh Cantemir and Dimitrie Cantemir became a voivode at the age of 71 and made sure his sons had a good education, His eldest son was a Moldavian Voivode (Prince) between December 18, 1695 and September 12, 1700, and again from February 23, 1705 to July 31, 1707. His Brother Dimitrie Cantemir (Romanian: [diˈmitri.e kanteˈmir]; 1673–1723) was twice Prince of Moldavia (in March–April 1693 and in 1710–1711). Moldova under Russian suzerainty, after a secret agreement signed in Lutsk, Dimitrie Cantemir sought refuge in Russia, where he and his family finally settled, There, he was awarded the title of Knyaz (Prince) of the Russian Empire by Peter the Great and received the title of Reichsfürst (Prince) of the Holy Roman Empire from Charles VI. He died at his Dmitrovka estate near Oryol in 1723 (on the very day he was awarded the Roman-German princely title). In 1935, his remains were carried to Iași. And that is where i think our connection is after the Cantemir family went to Russia the family lived there for many many years and eventually branches of the family moved around the slavik speaking countries Ukraine / Belo-Russia / Poland etc etc and ours landed in Ukraine with a different variant spelling of Cantemir. Believe what you want but i choose to believe its true that our long distant ancestors were in fact the Royal Cantemir family of Moldova. The family name. Our long distant relatives are posted as ((Cantemirești family)) at this link which i will provide and will provide links of the family.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Russian_noble_families
Cantemirești family)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Cantemir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioh_Cantemir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrie_Cantemir

I would also like to note that Michael Ketemer said in one of his recent posts in the reunion page that one variant spelling of our surname is **Kantemir**, also Dimitrie Cantemir prince of Moldova name in Russian is Дми́трий Константи́нович Кантеми́р (Dmitriy Konstantinovich **Kantemir**). Which makes me believe even more that the information i posted is true. Hope it's a good read, give it a thumbs up if you like it, and leave a comment or two to let me know what you think

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 20:58 BST (UK) »
The best policy is always to start from yourself and work back. What is the earliest ancestor in this "line" you can definitely prove you descend from? Working back like this prevents you spending ages working forward on lines which may be irrelevant. A surname in itself is not always guarantee of a relationship.

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 21:10 BST (UK) »
Me > my dad > my grandfather > Great grandmother Lena Kantymir > her father Semion Kantymir > His Father Gowrylo Kantymir  1857 Kitsman  Bukovina, Ukraine -  1907 Stuartburn, Manitoba Canada. Thats as far as i can go back..... And since i believe you have read what i said,  Dimitrie Cantemir family lived in Russia, and in Russian  Cantemir is Kantemir, and Kantemir  is a different spelling of my great grandmothers surname  Kantymir because I have living relatives with that variant spelling of  the last name.

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 21:21 BST (UK) »
Khan Temir, as ancestor - why not?

Did you check if babies in your family, use to have a 'Mongolian Spot' ?

Good luck to find the missing link, five generations needed only!  :D

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 21:29 BST (UK) »
So from wiki I also  found   Dimitrie Cantemirs son Antiochus Kantemir who apparently had illegitimate children and wiki doesn't show names......  Anyone know how to find out who his children were ??. I am going down the line of  Cantemir to see if it  meets with mine.

Antiochus died in 1744
My 3x great grandfather born in 1857

Only 113 years missing hah... unless i am looking at this  the wrong way. Anyway you are right i only need a to find a few generations to see if our lines match.


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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 August 14 22:47 BST (UK) »
You would have to investigate what records there are available for the Ukraine in 1857. Perhaps someone else here has done research there at that period and can advise.

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #6 on: Monday 11 August 14 12:37 BST (UK) »
As GR2 has said, you need to pursue your own line back. While this may be more time consuming, it will prove to be more rewarding. By all means, continue to research the "royal" line online, but investigate what records are available and where.
I am Australian, from all the lands I come (my ancestors, at least!)

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 12 August 14 20:14 BST (UK) »
Not to forget ALL THE MANY Kandemir and Candemir in Turkey.  ;D
What we know, most Turkeys have their origin in Asia and many oft them have Tartar origins too.
"Demir" stands for Iron, Chains, Shackles, "Can" stands for Bell, "Kan" stands for Blood (also Origin, Descent) in Turkish.   
So this leads anywhere also to "Bloddy Sword". ;)
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Temir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khan_Temir


And what german Wikpedia says:
Dimitrie Cantemir wurde als Sohn des moldauischen Woiwoden Constantin Cantemir geboren, als Spross der bojarischen Familie Cantemir, die von niederem moldauischen Adel war. Seine Mutter Ana Bantăș war eine hochgebildete Aufklärerin, ebenfalls adliger Herkunft. Dimitrie Cantemir verschwieg allerdings später seine elterliche Herkunft, die ihm unzureichend schien, um eine Abkunft von dem Khan Temir vorzugeben. 
-> Dimitrie Cantemir was born as the son of Moldavian Voivode Constantin Cantemir, as a scion of the Bojar family Cantemir, who was of low Moldovan nobility. His mother Ana Bantas was a highly educated enlightener, also of noble origin. Dimitrie Cantemir concealed but later its parental origin, which seemed insufficient to specify a descent from Khan Temir.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrie_Cantemir#Herkunft_und_Familie
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimitrie_Cantemir
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_Dmitrijewitsch_Kantemir
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Moldavia

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Re: Royal Cantemir Family of Moldova 1600s - 1700s
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 10 June 23 13:49 BST (UK) »
I am also from the Kantemir family, who has her roots in Bukowina. I just went for a holiday there and I got interesting things from the archive in Czernowitz. My grandfather Ivan Kantemir was from Kitsman. His father was Demeter Kantemir. I got Infos until 1865.
Hope to find more relatives.the brother of m grandfather was Mykola Kantemir.
When the war is over I go to Ukraine to search more.