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Offline Stephanie Keller

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Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« on: Monday 04 August 14 19:38 BST (UK) »
If you can tell, the grooms name is written by the clerk 4 or 5 different times and different each time.
He couldn't speak read or write any English at that time. Was from Torino, Italy. Grateful for any input.

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #1 on: Monday 04 August 14 20:43 BST (UK) »
Hi there,  love that curly writing  ;)

Looks like Concordio with a slightly different ending which could be because
the scribe didn't understand what was said.
The surname looks like Stephenson which is not Italian of course. 
Would be good to see some of the other interpretations the scribe did so
we could compare it.

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #2 on: Monday 04 August 14 22:18 BST (UK) »
Some names have diminutive forms, e.g. Bernardo/Bernardino, so maybe this man was known as Concordio/Concordino.
GRAY - Inveresk; Lanarkshire
LINDSAY - Lanarkshire
PURDIE - Lanarkshire; W. Lothian
POZZI - Elgin; Lancashire
MACKENZIE, MORISON - Stornoway
ARCHIBALD, HAY, HUNTER, SNADDON - Clackmannanshire
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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #3 on: Monday 04 August 14 22:36 BST (UK) »
Some names have diminutive forms, e.g. Bernardo/Bernardino, so maybe this man was known as Concordio/Concordino.

Thanks, First cenus says Save Concord...Ive wondered about Savario...and Steffano...others similar
Grandfather was given the name Joe Sefeno by coal miners because they could not say Italian name. In later Years when Grandfather could speak English better, he told people Concordia...or some version but grandchildren were uncomfortable putting that on tombstone. In later years he went by Steve Concord (still not correct).

Also, it is my understanding that Surname is given first when an Italian is asked their name. So the Concordio would be surname I do believe.


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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 03:00 BST (UK) »
As I see it, you've got:

Concord Stephens
Concordina Stephensons
Concordia Stephens
Concordano Stephens
and
?Educord Stephens

Given the information you've provided I would guess his Italian name to be something like Stefano Concordia/Concordino. Steve Concord is a direct Anglicisation and all of the above are really clumsy attempts at such. I would think that your man gave his name to the clerk in the Anglicised form but with a strong accent and surname first.

Hope that helps.

Kez :)

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 03:08 BST (UK) »
Saverio is the Italian form of Xavier... I would think given that he went by Steve/Stephens the Italian name is like to be Stefano.

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 23:37 BST (UK) »
Saverio is the Italian form of Xavier... I would think given that he went by Steve/Stephens the Italian name is like to be Stefano.

Ok So Assuming that he was Stefano Concordino...why am I having such an impossible time finding any records for him? I don't want to give up but I feel like this is hopeless. I did today send an email to Italy for records in Torino asking for Concordino Stefano or any variation for an orphan born in 1865 and stayed in the orphanage until age 16 and departed Italy in 1892. Do not know what else to do.

Maybe I need one of those People who talk to the dead??????????

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 23:47 BST (UK) »
Concordia?

May be there is a orphanage related to this name (I was baptized in a Konkordien-Church).

May be his godparent was a nurse with the name Concordia?

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Re: Italian name slaughtered on Alabama marriage license 1897
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 05 August 14 23:49 BST (UK) »
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Maybe I need one of those People who talk to the dead??????????

There has been a thread on this topic!

Rudolf
Goldschmidt; Gregory, Maude, Nancy Price, Welby (UK),
Goldschmidt > Goldsmith, Benetta, Bloom, Gillis, McDonough, Moses, Wheaton (Australia / NZ),
Spatz & Henderson (Greater London),
Herbert Spatz MC > H. Spence MC (Salisbury),
Spatz > Spence, Nichols. Kidd (Bromley > Manchester South, India),
Spatz > Spaatz (Boyertown, PA - USA),
Engel & Joly (Philadelphia, PA - USA).
Kummerer (London, Chicago & Australia).

WW1 - Cousins Killed in Action in the Australian, English, French & German Armies