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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #468 on: Saturday 28 January 17 14:53 GMT (UK) »
I've just been looking at some of our old indents. One, from 1638  shows 'Esker-rygos'. (Esgairygors). Another from 1769 shows 'Strygosfawr', otherwise known as 'Strygos' and finally, Meyric from 1810, writing about Thomas Richards of Scrygog. Another point is that Esgair-y-gors means, 'Marsh ridge' whereas none of the other names mean anything in Welsh.
 I can't find George Richards, (1815-1854), the son of the Rev. Edward in the 1851 census, He is with his mother for the will in 1847 but dies, (suicide), in Tregaron in 1854.
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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #469 on: Saturday 28 January 17 17:20 GMT (UK) »
George Richsrds is at Waunfawr(as per Edward's will),in 1851.He is classed as a separate "lodger" with the family of John Williams at HO107/2487/350/9

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #470 on: Saturday 28 January 17 17:59 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for that. I now remember that he  was living, not in Waunfawr itself, but in a cottage next to the house.
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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #471 on: Sunday 29 January 17 09:41 GMT (UK) »
 I'm busy updating everything from this week. In my essay on the beginnings of the Richards family in Lledrod, and, in particular, the historical ownership of Ynysberfedd, I see that I have the following ...
[On the death of the unknown Davies the 1814 Land Tax register shows Jane as the tenant. Joseph Davies Jnr. was resident there until his death in 1874].

 This entry must have come from somewhere. Can you check up on this for me please and, if proved to be correct, will explain why I named the unknown Davies, (was Richards) woman as Jane.
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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #472 on: Sunday 29 January 17 11:32 GMT (UK) »
I'll try later,going out now.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #473 on: Sunday 29 January 17 16:23 GMT (UK) »
I've only managed to find the 1798 Land Tax Assessment so far,and here are some of the interesting points

YnysyBerfedd is listed as owned by a Major West(?),with a Thomas Evans as tenant.
A Thomas Evans is also listed as tenant at Ynysygarn,where the prprietor is the Rev John Williams.

Ysgair y Gorse is owned by James Lloyd Esq. with William Williams as tenant.

Most,interestingly a Joseph Davies is listed as tenant at  Rhyd Lwyd,with William Williams(same one as above?)as proprietor.Perhaps this Joseph is the son of Joseph Davies(1780 will).I'll  try to gather together a chronological list of names associated with Rhyd Lwyd.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #474 on: Monday 30 January 17 09:40 GMT (UK) »
I'm afraid the Rhyd Lwyd references I can find are a mixed bag,possibly because it may have had residential,clerical and educational connections,I think.Even in the 1841 census there is a Rhydlwyd reference(Smithy?) with Mary Davies(75),then Tynllan with Evan Eans(70),then Rhydlwyd Chapel with Rev David Evans(65),Methodist Minister.It is possible that the Jane Evans(40),with Joseph in 1841 is a daughter of Evan Evans(?)


                               Rhyd Lwyd

                        (House/School/Chapel?)

1761    Lease to David Williams of Rhydllwyd of….

1764   Letticia Richards of Rhyd Llwyd….pew…

1798/1800      Tenant       Joseph Davies(son or grsandson of Joseph Davies 1780 will?)

1806 Will of David Davies(son  of Joseph 1780?) refers to

Niece Margaret  Richard(?)/David(?)/Edward(?) at Rhydlwyd.
If there was ONE word in this will that needed to be clear
this,of course was the one!
Theophilus Jones(executor) at Rhydlwyd
 
1806 Edward Davies with wife Ann(e) (another son of Joseph (1780)(?)
who has his own son Joseph! (snippet-lost source)
(but will of Edward Davies,Llanyre 1796 with son Joseph?)

Monumental Inscriptions
John Richards(c.1834-1890) “blaenor parchus”(first minister?)(farmer on census)
Eglwys M C Rhydlwyd (Methodist Chapel)
Mary Richards(wife)(c.1845-1922)

(Your Rev Richards - C of E)

1831 Two infant daughters of Evan and Martha Jones
+ other later Davies/Richard/Jones combinations
 
1841 census  - see preamble

1840/1850   Mr(?) Thomas Richards Schoolmaster(Welsh Journals)
                    (Reverend Bridge Street Aberystwyth?)


Can't find the 1814 Land Tax references at the moment.


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Roger

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #475 on: Monday 30 January 17 22:12 GMT (UK) »
 Not much to report about Rhyd Llwyd. The farm is a two bedroomed place that, from the road, looks like a single storey house but from the other side is two storeys. It's now for sale in completely bad interior condition plus 11,1/2 acres.
 The Rhyd Llwyd Chapel has a good-sized house partly attached to it, (3 bedrooms) and is also vacant.
 I can't imagine Leticia Richards actually living at the farm and it may be that she  was either a tenant, with a sub-tenant, or she owned the freehold.
  The properties are 100 meters apart.
 Chimney cleaning today so a bit busy.
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Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.

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Re: David Richard/Richards of Strygosfawr, Lledrod.
« Reply #476 on: Tuesday 31 January 17 13:15 GMT (UK) »
 Just an aside. I managed. mostly by accident, to get into the tithe map and details for our old stamping ground of Lledrod Uchaf. The only mention of a Richards living there then, (1838-1850), is George owning Ynysberfedd and Joseph Davies as tenant. There is another entry for the land between Ynysberfedd and Ynys y Garn, (35 acres), and this is owned jointly by George and a Rev. James Williams. I see that in your 1798 Land tax register that Ynys y Garn was owned by a Rev. John Williams.
 I have info somewhere that a Rev. Williams acted as a go-between when the Rev. Edward of Epsom bought the farms from the old Hafod Estate. I may have seen that in the 'Martin' article.
 It comes as quite a surprise when you see an area that was once swamped with the Richards and David families taken over by others. Most common name now appears to be Davies!
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Richards in Anglesey. Liverpool, Cardiganshire.
Richards in Patagonia and Canada. Owens and Williams in Holyhead. Laird family, Birkenhead. Richards-Bridges family, Epsom.